The Non-Meeting 7/17/2006
The meeting scheduled for tonight was a non-starter due to a lack of quorum. Here is a synopsis of the happenings:
Roll Call was started.
When May’s name was called, Herman read a letter from him. It stated that the meeting being held in City Hall was a known violation of the Sunshine Law despite warnings from the city lawyer. The letter also stated that the meetings at Wild Acres were also a violation (as cars were turned away). He concluded by saying he would not attend another meeting until they are held at the community center.
This resulted in applause from the audience. Killjoy Knode urged the chief to remove anyone who was speaking out of order. The Chief said he would obey any lawful order from the mayor.
There was also a letter from O’Connell read by Herman. It also stated the same points out unlawful meetings due to Sunshine Law provisions not being met.
This reading was interrupted by Owensby. The people asked that Owensby be removed since he was out of order (first comedy highlight of the meeting). This is met with Knode begging the chief to remove folks from the chambers. Now, mind you there was no quorum so it was a non-meeting and everyone knew it at this point. Secondly, Knode has no power over the chief. The directions must come from the mayor (who did not direct the chief to remove anyone).
Then Corcoran’s name was read. Owensby flipped his wig that Linda Downs skipped his name. He then proceeded to threaten Linda and her livelihood. This started a whole new group of protests from the audience.
Next a letter was read by Herman from Schneider. His letter had the citizen petition attached requesting that meetings be made accessible and be held at the community center.
Killjoy Knode then jumps in and asks why Herman received the letters and if he was representing the four councilmen personally. Herman replied that he represents all of Overland. Knode then claims that Herman is NOT the city attorney. This is met with loud disapproval from the audience. One guy, in the front row, jumps up and claims then they are not our city council people. Knode again asks the chief to remove them. The man says “Why bother, let’s go folks! There will be no meeting tonight, anyway” and 88% of the audience leaves.
Ann then reads a prepared statement (as we know she doesn’t do well on the fly). It states that she wasn’t aware of their feelings on this issue until 3:00 today and that wasn’t sufficient time to change the meeting location. Oh yes, it would be so hard to redirect the people next door (where there cars are parked anyway)! She also stated that missing three meetings would be cause to remove anyone from office.
The meeting was adjourned due to a lack of quorum.
Someone asks why the ORT was still in office as they have all missed three meetings.
Bob Dody asks why there have been no bids for all of the changes in the budget. He mentions things like insurance, trash, etc. Ann’s only response to Dody was that he was no longer in office. Damn Ann! He is still a citizen of this city and has every right to address his elected officials, however obnoxious they may act.
And remember, “Go out for bid” was Owensby’s favorite words when Dody was mayor. He wanted him to go out for bids on everything, even toilet paper! So, Dody mentioning this is a very valid point. How many of these new vendors are a FOA (Friend of Ann) or worse yet a FOB (Friend of Mark Brown)?
The meeting was pointless anyway. There was no new budget to vote on. The meeting was being held in a place too small for typical crowds. Yet, all in all, it was a very entertaining 15 minutes.
Roll Call was started.
When May’s name was called, Herman read a letter from him. It stated that the meeting being held in City Hall was a known violation of the Sunshine Law despite warnings from the city lawyer. The letter also stated that the meetings at Wild Acres were also a violation (as cars were turned away). He concluded by saying he would not attend another meeting until they are held at the community center.
This resulted in applause from the audience. Killjoy Knode urged the chief to remove anyone who was speaking out of order. The Chief said he would obey any lawful order from the mayor.
There was also a letter from O’Connell read by Herman. It also stated the same points out unlawful meetings due to Sunshine Law provisions not being met.
This reading was interrupted by Owensby. The people asked that Owensby be removed since he was out of order (first comedy highlight of the meeting). This is met with Knode begging the chief to remove folks from the chambers. Now, mind you there was no quorum so it was a non-meeting and everyone knew it at this point. Secondly, Knode has no power over the chief. The directions must come from the mayor (who did not direct the chief to remove anyone).
Then Corcoran’s name was read. Owensby flipped his wig that Linda Downs skipped his name. He then proceeded to threaten Linda and her livelihood. This started a whole new group of protests from the audience.
Next a letter was read by Herman from Schneider. His letter had the citizen petition attached requesting that meetings be made accessible and be held at the community center.
Killjoy Knode then jumps in and asks why Herman received the letters and if he was representing the four councilmen personally. Herman replied that he represents all of Overland. Knode then claims that Herman is NOT the city attorney. This is met with loud disapproval from the audience. One guy, in the front row, jumps up and claims then they are not our city council people. Knode again asks the chief to remove them. The man says “Why bother, let’s go folks! There will be no meeting tonight, anyway” and 88% of the audience leaves.
Ann then reads a prepared statement (as we know she doesn’t do well on the fly). It states that she wasn’t aware of their feelings on this issue until 3:00 today and that wasn’t sufficient time to change the meeting location. Oh yes, it would be so hard to redirect the people next door (where there cars are parked anyway)! She also stated that missing three meetings would be cause to remove anyone from office.
The meeting was adjourned due to a lack of quorum.
Someone asks why the ORT was still in office as they have all missed three meetings.
Bob Dody asks why there have been no bids for all of the changes in the budget. He mentions things like insurance, trash, etc. Ann’s only response to Dody was that he was no longer in office. Damn Ann! He is still a citizen of this city and has every right to address his elected officials, however obnoxious they may act.
And remember, “Go out for bid” was Owensby’s favorite words when Dody was mayor. He wanted him to go out for bids on everything, even toilet paper! So, Dody mentioning this is a very valid point. How many of these new vendors are a FOA (Friend of Ann) or worse yet a FOB (Friend of Mark Brown)?
The meeting was pointless anyway. There was no new budget to vote on. The meeting was being held in a place too small for typical crowds. Yet, all in all, it was a very entertaining 15 minutes.
posted by suzyjax at 5:30 PM
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In the post-dispatch this morning regarding last nights meeting it also said "she has called for one on Wed. night at city hall". Did anyone hear her announce that last night?
Music still waiting for your beliefs, you're going to make me think you have none.
I didn't hear anything about a Wednesday meeting and was sitting near the front. Then again, it did break out into a bit of chaos.
As of this moment, there is nothing posted on the city website about a Wednesday meeting. They would need to post today since they must give 24 hour notice.
Suzyjax,
Thank you for the play by play. It must have been funny watching Knode and Owenswig scratch and claw at themselves.
So, Owenswig had a hissy fit because Linda forgot to call his name at roll call? Too funny.
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New Girl, it wasn't like Owenswig hadn't made his presence known. He was out of order about 5 times before they got to his name. Making a threat was classic ORT.
Just spoke with City Hall.
There will be a meeting at 6:30 on Wednesday in Council Chambers at City Hall.
Purzneristas new tactic :
Hold 3 back-to-back "special" meetings.
Have them violate Sunshine Laws and those council members with sense will not attend.
Kick out those council members after their third "missed meeting".
Why this won’t work:
You need a majority of all members elected to the city council to do this. It would be hard to vote out the majority with that same majority’s approval.
Overland Ordinance SECTION 115.100: MAY REMOVE OFFICER WITH CONSENT OF COUNCIL
The Mayor may, with the consent of a majority of all the members elected to the City Council, remove from office, for cause shown, any elective officer of the City, such officer being first given opportunity, together with his witnesses, to be heard before the Council, sitting as a court of impeachment. Any elective officer may, in like manner, for cause shown, be removed from office by a two-thirds (2/3) vote of all the members elected to the City Council, independently of the Mayor's approval or recommendation. The Mayor may, with the consent of a majority of all the members elected to the Council, remove from office any appointive officer of the City at will; and any such appointive officer may be so removed by a two-thirds (2/3) vote of all the members elected to the Council, independently of the Mayor's approval or recommendation. The Council may pass ordinances regulating the manner of impeachment and removals.
Chapter 77 of RSMo defines elective officers to include the mayor and city council members.
Chapter 77, section 77.340 has similar wording to the above on how someone is removed from office.
There was no mention of the “3 strikes and you are out rule” in Chapter 77.
"I give you the right to your opinion."
Thank you Note for giving us our rights. I always thought speech was an inalienable right.
"I agree it is not right, but it has been done before."
I agree slavery is not right, but it has been done before.
"I am not trying to spread rumors", they just seem to pop into my head without any effort.
Once in my head, my fingers begin typing the rumors.
Next thing I know, I hit the publish button and there you have it. Another rumor posted all within a denial of spreading rumors.
I am not trying. Really.
Sweaty Pickle knows Bob Dody to be a drunk. If we accept that as true (which how could you believe much of anything out of a Sweaty Pickle), what would be Anne's excuse. That is a pretty bold statement to make Sweaty, but what does it say about Anne when a drunk is more cogent, coherent and articulate than her?
Well I don't agree with being drunk on the job, but it has been done before.
The LLF Fully Supports John Doe's 7 Point Plan:
1. hire a qualified non partisan city administrator. let the CA clean house of department heads and replace them with qualified persons.
2. Have a special election in November to fill the ward three seat.
3. Have transparancy in Overland business, bids for everything over $500 and once the bid deadline has passed post the bids so that Overland residents can revue them.
4. No more secret meetings at Mandarin house of the ORT.
5. city council meetings at the community center until such time as the reular attendance drops below 150 people consistently
6. Issue every person a copy of roberts rules of order, the city charter and the state constitution. Give them a quiz as to the meaning of a simple majority, a super majority, the sunshine law, what out of order means, who can declare someone out of order, what a motion is, how a motion works, what can be done once a motion is made and seconded, whether or not there is such a thing as reducing it to writing.
7. Have a detailed explanation of each line item in the budget and a defense of the same. If we have a treasurer what do we need a procurement director for? what are the qualifications to be procurement director?
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Yeah, Guy...Great Question.
Well, last night I got in an argument with my neighbor during an LLF Executive Council of Central Committe meeting on revolutionary theory and Party Doctrine.
He is always running that Lenninist, Vanguard of Society, bullshit on me when he knows damn good and well that I am a dyed in the wool Marxist. He does it just to piss me off. Everyone knows it. Jerk.
The next morning I look out my window and I'll be darned if that Lenninist SOB doesn't have a huge new PLFO recruitment sign in front of my house. The nerve of him to form a splinter group right in front of my face after all the revolution has done for him. And on top of that, he didn't even take the time to get a sign permit! When I called him on it, all he could say was that he was the Vangaard don't you know.
For F's Sake.
That is the story, Guy. I am not worried, history will prove me right.
You're both wrong the true PFLO is the Peoples Front for the Liberation of Overland. We have crack suicide squads unfortunately we can't affect regime change with them as they keep dying during practice...
I thought that Avodart was supposed to take care of the P.F.L.O problem.
and for some reason the members of the PFLO keep getting hit on by the sons and daughters of PFLAG. It's making some of our members question their sexuality.
fyi: the mayor has not only called for a special meeting tomorrow night but for Thurs. & Fri. ss well.
Why would anyone respond to what Sweet Pickles says or for that matter Danny or Hands, they are not worth responding too.
I agree scheduling short order meetings in a stupid attempt to fabricate a back-room board majority is not right, but it has been done before.
Musicnote you have made it quite clear you are not going to answer any of my questiosn, why, do you have something to hide?
On your latest post you are flip-flopping again.
Where do you stand?
I agree patronage is not right, but it has been done before.
I think Note is occupied with searching her Overland Personel Archives for one example of a non-patronage hiring.
Come on Note, go back through your list of historic grudges and find me a non-patronage city employee or I may start demanding satisfaction.
I am sure you can name someone who worked at that dump we used to call a pool that wasn't hired through patronage.
Your not trying hard enough.
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