Boy How Time Flies When You Are Having Fun!
Back in the early days of the OVCC blog, John Doe would keep us posted of how many days until the recall process could be officially started. Can you believe it is now less than one week until the recall effort starts?
I am sure the COGG will have updates on their blog (coggoverland.blogspot.com). In the meantime, if the doorbell rings it might not be Avon calling. Or, even the Publisher's Clearing House.
Look for a canvasser in your neighborhood starting this weekend.
I am sure the COGG will have updates on their blog (coggoverland.blogspot.com). In the meantime, if the doorbell rings it might not be Avon calling. Or, even the Publisher's Clearing House.
Look for a canvasser in your neighborhood starting this weekend.
posted by suzyjax at 3:19 PM
31 Comments:
I got my pen ready!!!! RECALL RECALL RECALL RECALL RECALL.
You forgot GROOVY man !!!!
For rizzle, manizzle.
9 days and counting
The reason Goat splits herself up into other people, is so she will have somebody to talk to and agree with her. Sybil did the same thing. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Sybil only made up female alter-egos. Goat tries using male and female. Goat is a one goat herd or one man band....or ...who the hell knows. Lonely kids have "make believe" friends too. The funniest thing is, Sourasspickles, has conversations with these alter-egos of Goat’s…..buaaaah ha ha. Tricky pair those two, regular old pea hens in a pod.
I wonder what happened to Goat's "LAB TOP". She claims to use the "neighbor's" computer, then says she has a "friend" over using "HER" computer (remember the uh uh...mix up with "user logged in as") then the infamous, I have a "LAB TOP" HEAVY ON THE LAB, whilst on her travels to NY, when the meeting she claimed to attend was actually in Boston. Goat, by the way, the correct name for those portable computer's is LAP TOP.
Remember when "BLUE EYES" first came on the scene, and the "user logged in as" was Music Note. First she screamed for SPYMUT, that there must be a mix up or something wrong with his site. The next time that happend she claimed her "friend" was using HER computer, and she forgot to change her log in....cough ....cough....
Then she claimed to use the "neighbors" computer. Then mother of all stunts she claimed to have a "LAB TOP" computer. WHICH STORY IS IT GOAT? A, B, C or all of the above. Even her ALTER-egos lie.
Overlandsailor,
What happened to your site? It just comes up a solid Navy blue page, all the text is gone.
Not only does the mayor want to restrict what functions go on at the city ouwned properties. About 2 to 3 week ago she sent out word that all city employees can only rent the facilities twice a year.
Some woman also called the Com. Ctr. on Sunday and wanted to know what was going on up at Wild Acres. Did not give a name employee said private party.
Just found out from an employee of Overland that any Overland employee & a resident are not allowed to sign the recall, per the Mayor. Supposedly if they do they are in trouble.
Blue Moon,
I don't know who the mayor thinks she is, forgot also to say that not only is she supposedly restricting any Overland employee from signing the recall, she also, which I don't know if she can do this without council approval, said no employee can rent any rooms more than twice a year from now on. Prior to this there was never a limit on the employees.
Blue Moon,
I will ask about if it is in writing don't know as of right now, employee just found out.
Also heard another rumor today from a very good source that the mayor my back out of the lawsuit with the residents as to where to hold the meetings. I was told it will cost less if she backs out now then possibly found guilty in Nov. for purposely not holding them where all can attend.
Reason being she is running out of cash and may need it to try to fight the recall.
edgar casey,
I cannot see the logic in surmising that ann purzner is behaving on advise from somebody else. Only one person could be so consistently, incredibly irrational and delusional.
The only policy advisers ann purzner follows are the voices inside her head.
two layer,
I'm confused about how ann might "back out of the lawsuit" over the sites of council meetings. It would make sense for ann purzner to simply terminate her defense and concede no contest.
Nazrudin,
You said it better then I did, but I meant the same thing. Sorry
Does Purzner plan on using Rudman to defend her in the lawsuit brought forth by the 4 police officers? Will Herman be representing the 4 police officers? It’s a shame this will be at the expense of Overland, because of Purzner's foolish actions. Perhaps if Purzner herself was punished monetarily, she would stop these shenanigans of hers.
Blue Moon,
From what I can find out, it was verbal and it was put to them, "as a conflict of interest to sign the recall." They do not know how much trouble they will get into if they do sign that was not stated from what I understand.
twolayer,
Purzner told them it would be a conflict of interest? What hogwash! They can still sign the recall petition that is their right to do so, if they want. It would be the same as filing a complaint about an undesirable boss, for wrong doing. I sure hope these employees that are being bullied by the Mayor, get legal advice and quick!
Purzner just does not get it. Like I said before, some people have to get hit by a train to know its coming.
Puzner and her 3 un-wise men are the laughing stock. Purzner single handedly brought on these lawsuits to the City of Overland. Purzner brought on the media attention with her goofy stunts. When is she going to stop lying to herself and others?
What a stupid thing for her to say, that the recall is to only bring turmoil to the City of Overland. Is she that out of touch? She can’t see WHY the recall is being done? Even more reason to recall Purzner, she is not of sound mind, hence not fit to be Mayor. She is dangerous.
I once saw on a blog for St. Louis County, they dubbed Purzner as “Mayor Raggedy Ann”. How fitting, a head just full of sawdust or foam. What ever they use to stuff toys with. I can’t for the life of me remember the name of the blog site….sigh
new girl in town,
regarding your comment:
"Perhaps if Purzner herself was punished monetarily, she would stop these shenanigans of hers."
[7:37 AM]
A rational and responsible person would strive to avoid unpleasant consequences. However no such person was elected mayor of Overland this year.
Litigation from the four OPD officers need not go anywhere near a half million, if my understanding of the facts involved. They were promoted, then the promotions were rescinded. One remedy under the law would be to reinstate the promotions, and the pay increases would be awarded retro-actively to the first pay period following the initial promotion.
It seems Mr. Herman would be responsible for overseeing the defense, if not serving as lead defense counsel himself. Or, it might be the firm of J. Chris Hesse, the employment attorney.
One thing I despise is this city paying an hourly rate of $180 for "paralegal" services. At tops I can see $100 maybe $110 per hour for a paralegal who demands $45,000 yearly plus bonuses & bennies.
I just read UNINCORPORATEDMAN's comments. I don't know if it was this site you are talking about or not. I don't know why you feel we are pompous or full of ourselves. We joke around a lot, but we call an ace an ace and a spade a spade, just like you do. I for one, do not profess to be a Mensa member or feel that I am better than anybody else. We have fun with satire and we also get serious about issues.
I always enjoyed reading your posts Unincorporatedman. The only reason we made issues about spelling and grammar etc., was because BLUE EYES a/k/a Music Note, poked fun at our misspellings over here, when they are far from being Scholars. Many times when we quickly type things up, we concentrate more on the subject, rather than spelling and grammatical errors. Sorry you feel the way you do, if it is this site you are talking about.
By the way, UNINCORPORATEDMAN, I loved your ending line:
"Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something."
Edgar,
Thank you for your response. I sure hope the Police Officers don't have to pay out of pocket for the law suit. I would imagine the onus will be on Purzner's defense when she loses.
new girl in town,
Sharp word, "onus". I think it best not to use that in the company of the ORT lest they interpret it as a typo.
Speaking of typos, the mayor's rant-site has a funny word.
"Numberous." TRUE!!
ngit,
PLAINTIFF tort attorneys commonly work on commission, from a fourth to forty percent depending on several factors. Chances are high that the attorney firm will dig into its pockets to finance the investigators, depositions, interrogatories, subpeonas of all sorts, and expert witnesses. One lawsuit under Herron's term had an expert witness named Penny who charged $500 per hour.
Speaking of lawsuits under Herron's term, Mr. Hesse should no longer be seeking funds from us. His bills were coming in during the Alvarado case. Hesse's firm never appeared on the list of attorneys involved in the Alvarado litigation. That he charged $180 per PARALEGAL hour meant that he could have been subcontracting the work to the various attorneys. Herron, and all the other city defendants each had different attorneys. The firm for which Hesse works is in the employment field, which might cover the four OPD plaintiff's case.
edgar casey,
I'm curious about which comments may have appeared tongue in cheek.
Perhaps the following portion was unclear:
""A rational and responsible person would strive to avoid unpleasant consequences. However no such person was elected mayor of Overland this year. [11:59am]""
I was vague. To be clearer I could have said: "The mayor is irrational and irresponsible and, as such, hasn't the wit to avoid unpleasant consequences."
Not only do I agree with your assessment of this mayor's mental problems, I say she is MUCH worse than your description of her.
Regarding her friends, I don't know how they can be fought or controlled. Here in Overland we can and must deal with Mr. Knode, Mr. Owensby and ms purzner.
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Hee hee - Nazrudin, I guess the ORT would be dumb enough to misconstrue “onus” as “anus”, they sure talk out of theirs often enough.
New Girl,
What I wish the employees would remember (of course, I'm not in their position) is that they were also worried when she got elected. That was 6 months ago and all of them are still there.
She can make threats all day but it doesn't make them right or legal. But working under those conditions has got to be exhausting. I give all of them credit for showing up each day.
I agree I hope they to not listen to her.
edgar casey
I want ann to pay. I cannot see the four councilmen approving payments to cover ann purzner's outrageous actions.
I can see where it's the fault of the voters that elected ann into the mayor's seat.
Were ann conducting herself properly in her job then I would not have a problem protecting ann from the legal bills.
I can just see Richard Knode reading a statement that he and the others in ORT ... "don't want the burden of legal bills,... incurred while ann, ... who IS our mayor, acted according to city ordinances,... were sued by puppets of Former City Attorney Herman, who want to ... stick the legal bills squarely and exclusively onus alone.
Federal Employment cases are typically not contingency fee cases. The fees are usually awarded separately by the court if the plaintiff prevails.
Chris Hesse is a solid employment lawyer and he will be the first to tell the City that they can't win this one.
If Chris's bills say $180/hr for a paralegal then that's what it is, a paralegal. If its a lawyer, it would say so. His firm is big enough that they don't need contract lawyers and, if they did, the Rules require that to be stated on the bill. He is ethical so I'm sure its a paralegal. Depending on experience and what is being done $180 is not out of order.
ej "lucky" cantrell,
Thanks for the insights.
I'm still uncertain that the Federal Employment issue has to do with a half-million USD. Damages?
On Pacerservice.com the Alvarado case showed all the myriad attorneys, firms and their addresses who worked for Overland defendants. Mr. Dody said during the Alvarado case that "there were no cases" then, more or less. When Overland defendants changed attorneys, the records reflected who was removed and who was added.
Mr. Hesse was never listed on the Alvarado case. His firm was consistently billing Overland during the months Alvarado was proceeding. What are your thoughts on this, ej "lucky" cantrell?
PS. I don't recall the story behind your screen name. Was an OPD chief named Cantrell? Why "lucky"?
Why not just ask Mr. Dody?
Employment lawyers do much more than just litigate. Just because Hesse was billing during the same time as the case to which you referred was proceeding, doesn't mean Hesse was working on that case (or any other case for that matter).
As for pacerservice, I have not used that service to snoop into the files. I barely have enough time to stay dead so I certainly do not care about the sordid lives of others. Perhaps, you can use one of the snoop services to look me up to learn more about me. Make sure you have access to death certificates.
ej
Mr. Dody said there were no lawsuits going on while the alvarado case was clearly active.
For that reason I don't think he'd have a credible answer.
Public Access to Court Electronic Records (Pacerservices.com) has all the federal cases online. I don't think it's enough fun to be called snooping, ej.
During the Alvarado case, legal bills were as high as $50,000 per month. All that Mr. Dody would say is that the bills were for "human resource concerns in the OPD". The wrongful death case was an embarrassment, so he didn't make it any more public than it was, or than he had to.
Death certs? Are they accessible from a decent ouija board?
Overland Sailor: thanks for keeping this "thread" vulnerable to posts such as mine... for the time being, at least.
Naz,
Clearly, I have no idea what you are asking. Lawyers do more than litigate. Fees are generated everytime something is researched or a phone is answered. Cities have legal bills even when they are never sued.
As for snooping, I am not sure what your meant by "enough fun". In any event, maybe that was a poor choice of words. I was referring to trolling through public documents. Pleadings in lawsuits seldom tell the story. They merely frame the issues. Conclusions drawn from pleadings contain speculation, conjecture and surmise. Example, "Plaintiff was injured in excess of $XXX,XXX.XX This has nothing to do with the amount of the actual damages other than to establish the jurisdiction of the court. Want the story, watch the trial.
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