EDITORIAL: Purzner wears out her welcome at city hall
reprinted from the 03/20/2007 issue of the Overland -St Ann Journal
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Tuesday, March 20, 2007 6:32 PM CDT
"You don't think I'm a witch, do you?"
Overland Mayor Ann Purzner posed the question in jest last week during a meeting with the North County Journal's editorial board to explain why she shouldn't be recalled from office on April 3. Although tongue-in-cheek, the remark reveals Purzner's perspective on the recall - that she's been miscast as the villain in the long-running soap opera of Overland politics. She insists she has the city's best interest at heart, and that her opponents are misguided, uninformed or spiteful. Clearly, she feels persecuted.
But Proposition A, the ballot measure that asks whether she should be removed from office, isn't personal. The question before voters on April 3 is not whether she's a good person - even some of her detractors will acknowledge that much - it is whether she has been, and can be, an effective leader for Overland.
The answer to that question has become clear during the tumultuous 11 months Purzner has occupied the mayor's office: She's not the person for the job.
Purzner proved herself to be a divisive, destructive presence from the moment she took office - literally. She began her administration by taking legal action to be sworn into office earlier than she was scheduled to in order to block action on a redevelopment project she didn't agree with. Her objection to the proposed project? That it wouldn't include retail, even though an earlier poll of several developers had shown no interest in retail development at the site.
In the months since then, she has tried to oust appointed officials without a vote of the city council, something that, in the case of Police Chief Jim Herron, a St. Louis County judge ruled was beyond the scope of her authority to do. Her refusal to hold council meetings in a setting large enough to accommodate all the residents who wanted to attend was found to be a violation of Missouri's Sunshine Law.
Purzner has walked out of meetings when things weren't going her way, and she has attempted to stifle public comments when the tide of public opinion was rising against her.
Since Purzner has taken office, the council has become bitterly divided between her supporters and her opponents. While one could argue that the ensuing lack of action on key issues is the result of her opponents' roadblocks, it is ultimately Purzner's responsibility to ensure that the city council functions. But she has done little, if anything, to try to mend rifts or find common ground. She has no control over council meetings that inevitably disintegrate into chaos, and at times she seems to lack an understanding of basic council procedures.
Purzner's lack of leadership abilities also is evident in the city's continuing stagnation. When asked by the Journal's editorial board what she had accomplished during her tenure, Purzner was able to cite just two examples: putting city employees into positions they're qualified for, and plans for a business complex that will include Beech-Nut's home office. One wonders what she could have achieved had she tried to unite city leaders under the common goal of doing what's best for Overland.
Had Purzner been willing to admit she'd made mistakes, a case could be made that she deserves another chance. But her refusal to accept any responsibility for Overland's volatile political situation is troubling. She blames the court ruling against her in the Herron case on the judge's supposed close friendship with Overland's city attorney. She characterizes the atmosphere at council meetings as being akin to "The Jerry Springer Show," yet she seems to believe she's powerless to stop it.
Ann Purzner may genuinely care about Overland's residents, but she lacks the basic skills and knowledge to translate her concern into constructive action. If anything, Purzner's legacy likely will be that of vitriolic discourse, factionalism and mistrust.
On April 3, Overland residents should vote yes on Proposition A.
Editorials represent the majority view of the editorial board of the North County Journal
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Tuesday, March 20, 2007 6:32 PM CDT
"You don't think I'm a witch, do you?"
Overland Mayor Ann Purzner posed the question in jest last week during a meeting with the North County Journal's editorial board to explain why she shouldn't be recalled from office on April 3. Although tongue-in-cheek, the remark reveals Purzner's perspective on the recall - that she's been miscast as the villain in the long-running soap opera of Overland politics. She insists she has the city's best interest at heart, and that her opponents are misguided, uninformed or spiteful. Clearly, she feels persecuted.
But Proposition A, the ballot measure that asks whether she should be removed from office, isn't personal. The question before voters on April 3 is not whether she's a good person - even some of her detractors will acknowledge that much - it is whether she has been, and can be, an effective leader for Overland.
The answer to that question has become clear during the tumultuous 11 months Purzner has occupied the mayor's office: She's not the person for the job.
Purzner proved herself to be a divisive, destructive presence from the moment she took office - literally. She began her administration by taking legal action to be sworn into office earlier than she was scheduled to in order to block action on a redevelopment project she didn't agree with. Her objection to the proposed project? That it wouldn't include retail, even though an earlier poll of several developers had shown no interest in retail development at the site.
In the months since then, she has tried to oust appointed officials without a vote of the city council, something that, in the case of Police Chief Jim Herron, a St. Louis County judge ruled was beyond the scope of her authority to do. Her refusal to hold council meetings in a setting large enough to accommodate all the residents who wanted to attend was found to be a violation of Missouri's Sunshine Law.
Purzner has walked out of meetings when things weren't going her way, and she has attempted to stifle public comments when the tide of public opinion was rising against her.
Since Purzner has taken office, the council has become bitterly divided between her supporters and her opponents. While one could argue that the ensuing lack of action on key issues is the result of her opponents' roadblocks, it is ultimately Purzner's responsibility to ensure that the city council functions. But she has done little, if anything, to try to mend rifts or find common ground. She has no control over council meetings that inevitably disintegrate into chaos, and at times she seems to lack an understanding of basic council procedures.
Purzner's lack of leadership abilities also is evident in the city's continuing stagnation. When asked by the Journal's editorial board what she had accomplished during her tenure, Purzner was able to cite just two examples: putting city employees into positions they're qualified for, and plans for a business complex that will include Beech-Nut's home office. One wonders what she could have achieved had she tried to unite city leaders under the common goal of doing what's best for Overland.
Had Purzner been willing to admit she'd made mistakes, a case could be made that she deserves another chance. But her refusal to accept any responsibility for Overland's volatile political situation is troubling. She blames the court ruling against her in the Herron case on the judge's supposed close friendship with Overland's city attorney. She characterizes the atmosphere at council meetings as being akin to "The Jerry Springer Show," yet she seems to believe she's powerless to stop it.
Ann Purzner may genuinely care about Overland's residents, but she lacks the basic skills and knowledge to translate her concern into constructive action. If anything, Purzner's legacy likely will be that of vitriolic discourse, factionalism and mistrust.
On April 3, Overland residents should vote yes on Proposition A.
Editorials represent the majority view of the editorial board of the North County Journal
http://overland-stannjournal.stltoday.com/articles/2007/03/20/opinions/sj2tn20070320-0321flo_editorial_1_1.ii1.txt
posted by John Doe at 7:10 AM
45 Comments:
Thank you, John Doe :-)
Sorry folks, I know most of you got to laugh your asses off at FineWineMusicBlueEyes posting. I mean this is so awesome. Given their photographic evidence collection and license plate bs, it sounds like these monkeys had a whole team of dumbasses working surveillance on a target that was simultaneously over 100 miles away hundred miles away.
And then she posts that list of Illinois cities, doesn't see Cisne, and acts like she just solved the Kennedy Assassination.
I mean folks, you cannot fabricate this kind of incompetence. I would like to extend my gratitude to those posters making record of the numerous amenities enjoyed by the fine citizens of Cisne. Anyone think she took Cisne off the list when she posted. Those are the types of lies she specializes in. No your right, she is just stupid.
Lie, Hide, Avoid, Lie.
All of you who have read anything I have written over past two weeks knows that I have beaten FINEWINE over like a dead horse over trying to pay-off the wager. There is absolutely nothing but dishonesty in her message.
But, dishonesty is her game. She won't contact me to collect her winnings because as we all know, she is posting under several names. She uses the multiple identity to build a healthy base of dishonesty to work from.
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Not only making wrongful accusations, bigot, and , and, oh what do you call a animal who issues a challenge with the promise of money and then is a no show?
What do you call someone who makes a wager and then don't pay up?
What do you call a person who thinks he can disgrace and demean others and is obsessed with being cruel ?
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Well I don't know Riddler, because animals do not speak to me. Animals do not issue challenges to me. Animals do not make dinner appointments with me. Animals do not have delinquent accounts with me. You are working within a great tradition of people who could "walk with the animals, talk with the animals. Lets see, here is a list of people known to commune with nature:
Tarzan.
Aquaman.
The Beast Master and Beast Master's decedents.
Dr. Doolittle.
That dude in the yellow hat that was always hanging with Curious George.
Wilford the Big Red Dog.
Ranger Smith.
Shaggy.
Mr. and Mrs.Ziffel.
Granny.
Eli May.
Peter Stirling.
Wilbur Post.
Sam Drucker.
I could go on listing other folks who converse with the Animal Kingdom, but I will stop. What company you share.
In closing let me highlight another similarity you share with the people on the aforementioned list:
FICTION, THEY ARE ALL FICTIONAL AS WELL AS THE THREE SO-CALLED IDENTITIES YOU USE TO LIE, HIDE, AVOID, AND LIE
Instant water has substance and the substance is called WATER.
Bear63114, do you think Purzner the lying RN used all of her own money for her campaign? Guess again. Just because she didn’t solicit you personally does not mean she didn’t receive outside monies for her campaign.
Many organizations look for help in ways of money donations or your voluntary help, as in mailings, phone calls, going door to door et cetera. There really isn’t anything unusual about that. I would venture to guess they are looking for monetary donations to help defray costs of paper, signs, rent, phone calls and so on. They were not only asking for monetary donations, they were looking for voluntary help too. They took under one heck of a task to recall Purzner RN. I’m sure this was not an easy or FREE endeavour.
I take it you don’t have or had any children in extra curricular activities, such as Football, Band, Drama class, Debate Club etc. that solicit monetary donations , do car washes to raise funds, sell candy, pizza or what have you to defray costs of uniforms, field trips et cetera. Parents volunteer their time to help them too. This is just an example of fund raising. There a countless other examples I could give you, but for brevity sake, I’ll leave it at this.
Everyone that personally knows me will attest that I do not seek to disgrace, to demean or to inflict cruelty. In fact I just hate liars and bullies. Nobody from the OVCC or COGG have ever mislead or brought cruelty to my door.
Mayor Purzner has when she decided to put pornography in the form of the Overland Watch on my door.
Gravy,
What I found extremely amusing was Sourasspickles posted on the OV chat that she was waiting outside the Mandarin House at 4:20 and the doors didn’t open until 5:00. I can just see her sitting there salivating waiting for the doors to open to chow down.
You never mentioned or agreed upon a time to meet, they never RSVP’d you, and yet these idiots, by their own admission go there way before the joint even opens, when no official tryst was agreed upon.
I wonder if Courtney made a McDonalds run for Sourasspickles whilst she was in wait, to hold her over until the Mandarin House opened? Courtney is the official gopher of the ORT, isn’t she?
Taking photos of the crowd thinking I would be on the photos for identification. The probably wasted most of Saturday setting up their surveillance. Owensby was probably wearing one of his disguises and hiding in one of the trash cans. Kmode was dressed as a fire hydrant. Courtney was a plant working as hostess. Tom Sellers was pretending to be asleep on the curb. Sweaty was out-back looking for used cigarette butts by the dumpster while covering back door. Marky Mark was hold up in the command center co-ordinating surveillance efforts. Wanda had was wearing a wire, dressed as a Buddha statue sitting cross legged in center of dining room.
It is a real Mission Impossible type crew they assembled to out Gravy Crane. You know damn good and well they are searching through any and all public records from Cisne, Illinois trying to find a link back to me. After several days of locating Cisne on a map.
New Girl, did you also notice that, as usual, when asked to defend her accusations and name calling, Under80Overland has not responded. Classic ORT, LIE HIDE AVOID LIE. No defense of their smear in calling me a bigot. Lie, hide, avoid, lie.
And Goat, she is not my aunt she is my 93 year old Great Aunt. Pay attention, try to at least get the background right before making complete ass of yourself with another list.
Snoopdog starts the day off with a nice well crafted lie. I love how she pretends to not know who this MBC is but somehow knows so much about her policy preferences.
It is a intellectual laugh-a-thon reading what these folks write about.
Gravy, with all of them put together, they still can't come up with a full deck.
Perhaps someone posted this already, in which case sorry for the repeat. However, a simple google search turns up a host of links about Cisne. It does not appear that the town has it's own web site, which would be understandable considering the 2000 census lists it's population as under 700 people.
There is a wikipedia entry about Cisne that can be found: here.
There is also a reference to the community on the State of Illinois Web site: here, where they list the Town's Chamber of Commerce phone number as: 618-673-2345
It's official, the town exists and it only took 1 minute and the use of the super-secret google search engine to find it.
Cisne shut-down their Municipal web-site in 2002. Cisne's former Mayor was a nutty alderman that was "accidentally" elected a 1/3 plurality of voters.
A rational politician in this situation would produce an agenda that appeals to at least some of the remaining 2/3 that voted against her. With a little skill and good faith bargaining, the strategy would produce a majority coalition that could govern.
But Cisne's Mayor chose to circumvent our governing institutions at every turn. Trying to keep people from participating. Illegal personnel policies that exposed the community to a large litigation risk. But worse of all, Cisne's Mayor decided to link his personal web-site to Cisne's official publicly funded community web-site to confuse the voters into thinking that his anti-democratic/anti-republican/anti-civil rights was the official policy of the City. He filled his website with obvious disinformation. Consistently made false accusations and posted defamatory items focussed on the other duly elected City officials.
Eventually the community had enough and decided to recall him but not before being forced to shut-down its official web-site. It was the only solution to stopping the Mayor's transgressions and bad-faith politics.
So today they don't have a municipal web-site as a result.
I almost forgot to mention Cisne's former Mayor's most egregious assault on good taste and community standards. The Cisne Watch was distributed to every home and lit a fire under the Mayor's latent opposition. That story is for another day folks.
Sailor,
Yes it only took me less than a minute to google the town of Cisne Illinois.
We posted several examples under the "Sheri Karr Chose...." thread below this one.
Its really to bad there is no service on the internet where you can get directions or maps. Wouldn't it be cool if you could just type in the name of a city and a state and have a map and directions.
Get ready people for another RED RAG on your door. It's a little colorful flyer filled with more hideous nonsense and the comic of the bobble heads from the RED Raggedy Ann Rag. It was put out by Owenswig.
And of course on the front they have a picture of Purzner the lying RN from 20 years ago, or they air brushed the million wrinkles off of her face. I guess they are "trying" to make her appear friendly....LOL
LOL @ Hairy....that was a good one.
Posted by Bear63114 on March 21, 2007, 2:22 pm, in reply to "Re: Nit Wit read your site"
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Oh and new girl, read your post about Mrs. Purzner.
Didn't your mother ever teach you if you don;t have anything nice to say don't say it at all?
By the way have you looked in the mirror lately?
Probably would be the thing to do before you put down someone elses looks.
End of Overland Chat post
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Bear63114, did you ever hear the saying practice what you preach? You contradict yourself in your own post...LOL
Now, bear63114, you have attacked me, I have never done that to you. May I ask what prompted you to do this? I guess it is to be expected of your kind and those you associate yourself with. Give them enough rope and they hang themselves.
I am not ashamed of my looks what so ever, I wouldn't change a thing that God gave me :-)
Oooooops, I take that back. I did get some high lights and low lights in my hair....I guess that would change things a little....me bad :-(
bear63114, sounds fair enough to me.
Purzner should not be ashamed of how she looks, for her age she is a good looking woman, you can't dispute that. I just said they air brushed the wrinkles off or it's an extremely old picture of her. I never said she was ugly or anything. She kept her figure nice and you can see she is a pretty woman and most likely was when she was young I imagine. She dresses nicely too, for her age.
Dearest Pickles,
Your complexities intrigue me:
Corpulent curmudgeon, Roveian strategist, Himmlerian propagandist.
All tied up in one adorable package.
I worry about you, Sweet Pickles.
Countless hours stuffing all those red bags with the O. W. while
your arthritic hands cried out in pain.
Selling your most cherished items at the O.R.T. benefit garage sale.
Feverously typing away on the O.C. blog: lie…lie again…and again…slander… contradict yourself…defame…lie some more….
So much effort: a dedicated soldier trudging along for the cause.
For years you have worked so, so hard!
After April 3rd,
All your dreams, all your sweat, all your plotting
Vanished. Flushed down the drain. All gone.
That’s why I worry about you, my Sweet Pickles.
After the election, what will you do?
You will have failed your sole mission in life. What will your purpose be now?
Hmmm…..perhaps a completely new mission! Yes, that’s it!
Maryland Heights is building a state of the art City Hall.
It’s flush with Harrah’s payola. Just think about:
Get a few corrupt officials elected. I bet your palms are already feeling a little greasy, oh, I mean sweaty.
After all, M.H. is a lot closer. And you’re sure not getting any younger.
Wow, I’m feeling better already. Just knowing that there is a future for my
dear, Sweet Pickles.
What a relief. I can finally get some sleep.
OVERLAND
Posted by BLUE EYES on March 21, 2007, 3:46 pm
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So, after April 3rd, what do you feel should be the first order of business?
Re: OVERLAND
Posted by Sweetpickles on March 21, 2007, 3:54 pm, in reply to "OVERLAND"
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If Ann is not retained MOVE
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Sweetpickles, that was the smartest post you ever wrote. I agree with you 100%. That would at least get rid of the riff raff in Overland if ORT supporters do a mass exodus out of Overland, when Purzner is recalled. We can only dream……I had a dream!!!
Has anybody else received the RED RAG spin off? It's a joke, the ORT is claiming that most of the recall signatures were forged...LOL and Millionaires are trying to buy City Hall...LOL OMG it's too funny. I guess Aliens will zap us if we vote YES for the recall....ho ho hee hee
This is utter trash and desperate actions by fools for fools.
I think it was Unincorporated man that said it best “somebody defecated in my mail box” He was speaking about the trash the ORT leave on people's doors, mail boxes and lawns.
As for the allegation of foregery, the BOEC certified the signatures and Ann and Rudz didn't challenge the signatures. Funny that although they brought a lawsuit, they didn't bother to challenge the signatures (most of which were forged). Of course, we are still waiting for that appeal that Ann and Rudz promised. Maybe they will bring it up then. Wouldn't surprise me one bit that the Dream Team would bring up an issue on appeal that wasn't raised at trial...... no faster way to lose than that and, if we know one thing about Rudz, he is always looking for a faster way to lose.
Lucky,
That's some funny stuff!
The desperation is starting to show
and that is directly perportional to the amount of lies that will be told in the next few weeks.
I wonder.
When "Sweetpickles" posted that if Ann is not retained as Mayor the first order of business should be to move, did she mean she'd move back to Overland?
Sounds like maybe even "Sweetpickles" realizes that brighter days are ahead for Overland once Mayor Purzner is Recalled. Perhaps the Suburban Journal Editorial, Endorsing the
Recall of the Mayor swayed her.
Sailor,
Will you be doing an expose on the latest spin off of the Red Rag that was handed out today? I would most certainly look forward to that if you do.
By the way, this spin off of the Red Rag was paid for by Ann Purzner. However, Owensby has his name and contact number on the Red Rag flyer. The contents of this fecal flyer is so hideous and outrageous, you can’t help but laugh. Do some people take this crap seriously? You got to wonder about this, if there are people, that are that backward in Overland, who get suckered into that type of nonsense and deceitful lies.
I hear it has only been distributed in Ward 3. Since I live in Ward 1 I didn't get one.
However, if you get me a copy to review and research, I will gladly go to work on it.
I've been pouring through the documents and working the phones looking into the 8801 page deal since Monday (I'm giving the article one more day to see if I can get a few call backs with some real answers to simple questions before I post it). As a result, I could use something easy to work on for a change. :-)
New Girl,
They have already answered that one.
Aliens, I'm still looking for the pods.
hee hee....twolayer :-)
Overland Sailor,
Ms Sweety has no need to move back here, she lives in Maryland Hghts and she's darn proud of it. I can't remember when but she said she has 30 yrs invested & an aunt that lives here.
So I guess according to her that would trump any of us that actually do live here.
Read Knode' little letter he wrote to the Journal. He's claiming 2 new leaders of a hate group.
From what I can come up with & remember I am up to 14 ring leaders. I would like to know how many hate groups there supposedly are in Overland. And how many ring leaders & groups does it take to screw a city & 1 mayor?
Also, if you read his website he says something like, he is putting an unedited version of the article up. Why would you edit your own material when it was just in the paper for all to read. He's the one supposedly putting it on his own website.
OU812 is investing in rats? What exactly was the mess "it" posted?
It mentioned "cents" was it looking for money or something?
Why are MOST of the pro Purzner people really, really weird mentally or carnie like? Is this just my observation or do other people see this too?
twolayer,
Maybe he likes the original version with his own misspelled words.
NGIT,
ou812 is a fine example of why some people should not reproduce.
I am sure the site moderator will remove those posts because they do not allow rants like that and the use of such negative language. Have you noticed the crop of new posters that are appearing?
This person running in ward one, "Eedie" states that she is in broadcasting. Now Gravy Crane in the past has mention a radio station.
So, does 1 + 1 = 2 or 1 + 1 = 1 ?
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Way to go FINEWINE. Another brilliant speculation from deep within your cerebellum. Scientists believe this region of FINEWINE's brain is the closest approximation to Plato's Cave known to humanity.
Pay attention:
1+1=2
(1+x) = 1
where X equals MN(MUSICNOTE), FN(FINEWINE), BE(BLUEEYES).
Isn't this the fifth or sixth time you have ventured a guess on my identity? I would go ahead and tell you but it is far too entertaining to watch you link my identity to the identities of everyone you do not like.
Getting colder,
getting colder,
getting colder,
really cold,
extremely cold,
getting warmer,
now below freezing,
Look out Kelvin here comes the Queen of Deduction.
c3missile,
Yes there are new ones cropping up, but I think they are just new monikers, but the same old drones.
Mindless drones that is.
Thank you for the apology FINEWINE in regard to Cisne. Now, how about an apology or an explanation for smearing me as a bigot?
Lie, Hide, Avoid, Lie
BTW Music Note, I for one do not and will not admire a woman who befriends child pornographers, embezzlers, is a liar, breaks the law or poses herself as a Registered Nurse, when she is not a Nurse of any sort. Not my type of people I would want to align myself with. But, to each his own. Admire Ann Purzner? Gag and barf is in order. What do you admire, that she is still alive at 70 and smokes? What exactly are Purzner the lying RN’s great accomplishments to admire? Can anybody answer that?
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I would think she damn near has this identity thing figured out.
Known traits: Bigot, aunt lives in an imaginary town named Cisne, drives a red car that was at Ann-derine house on Saturday during TuWongian stakeout, once mentioned a radio station .......
She is closing in Gravy.
Ok,
I"m getting tired of getting confused by what these people say.
First, does anyone know if Karr showed for the meeting with the Midland Valley Group last night at the com. ctr.?
Second, on her literature she is handing out she says she has been a resident of Overland for 8 yrs. In the Journal she said 7. When asked she said 4. Which is it?
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"a lot of people agree with you but maybe not the language"
Maybe Blue Eyes. Maybe disagree. Wow.
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minority and the fag 4 as you put it, are keeping us at a stand still. If we could only get rid of them and their kind, Overland will begin to Heal!"
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Fag 4, as you repeated it.
And you have the nerve to call me a bigot.
How about a response to falsely smearing me as a bigot. Come out from behind the peanut gallery and apologize or explain yourself.
Ms Karr did not attend the Midland Valley meeting, but Mr Jones did.
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