Uhhhh, Dumb, Dumber, Dumberer, Dumbererer and Dumberererest
I don't know how to make this any more simple for each of you. Bear63114, MUSICNOTE, FINEWINE and BLUEEYES need to contact me when responding to a challenge or attempt to collect winnings. I am not like Mark Brown and Mayor Con and therefore have no experience in laundering money. In order to meet for dinner or pay-off a bet, you need to respond so that I know its on. You know on the bottom of wedding invitations there are those letters R.S.V.P. I am no Mister Manners, but I believe that means the invitee is to respond directly to the inviter in regards to their plans to attend the appointment or not. If you don't make proper arrangements, how can I give you the money?
It sort of like those hillbilly weddings yawl have Sweaty, except in our case we use paper, pen, computer messaging rather than one of those hollers across the hollow you may be more attune with. "I"MA COMIN PAW!"
Sweaty acts like she has something to do with the four of you collecting your winnings. I only promised Sweaty one dinner. She has been salivating for over a week. Sweaty is more fired-up about a free plate of Mayor Con's Chicken than MUSICWINEEYESBEAR are about each getting $5,000.00. Pavlov's Pickle they call her around these parts.
I never said that I won the bet or that you lost the bet. I said I was visiting my Great Aunt on her 93rd birthday thus I was unable to make it to the Mandarin House. See that is an honest answer where the claim resembles the facts. According to Mauler, none of you were there. It is his mall, I think he would know. But, I will take your word for it and pay-off the bet. But dammit you morons, pay attention, you need to contact me so that I can give you the money.
There is little reason to discuss your ramblings posted on the OVERLAND CHAT because they need to take some sort of structure and bear a likeness to reality. So if anyone of you, any combination of you or all of you want your Manderin House Challenge winnings, you need to contact me. My goodness. "Stupid is as stupid does Forest"
For FINEWINE
"I can't remember a post by MN saying anything negative about the Chief of Police, she has said that he does try to keep order but the residents have no respect for him and it shows."
MUSICNOTE must have posted those comments before you moved here. Remember MN is the ancient scribe of Overland politics. With you moving here, what couple months ago, there are volumes of MusicNote's wit and wisdom you have missed. Music Note is to Ann Purzner and the ORT as Arther Schlesinger was to John Kennedy and Camalot.
It sort of like those hillbilly weddings yawl have Sweaty, except in our case we use paper, pen, computer messaging rather than one of those hollers across the hollow you may be more attune with. "I"MA COMIN PAW!"
Sweaty acts like she has something to do with the four of you collecting your winnings. I only promised Sweaty one dinner. She has been salivating for over a week. Sweaty is more fired-up about a free plate of Mayor Con's Chicken than MUSICWINEEYESBEAR are about each getting $5,000.00. Pavlov's Pickle they call her around these parts.
I never said that I won the bet or that you lost the bet. I said I was visiting my Great Aunt on her 93rd birthday thus I was unable to make it to the Mandarin House. See that is an honest answer where the claim resembles the facts. According to Mauler, none of you were there. It is his mall, I think he would know. But, I will take your word for it and pay-off the bet. But dammit you morons, pay attention, you need to contact me so that I can give you the money.
There is little reason to discuss your ramblings posted on the OVERLAND CHAT because they need to take some sort of structure and bear a likeness to reality. So if anyone of you, any combination of you or all of you want your Manderin House Challenge winnings, you need to contact me. My goodness. "Stupid is as stupid does Forest"
For FINEWINE
"I can't remember a post by MN saying anything negative about the Chief of Police, she has said that he does try to keep order but the residents have no respect for him and it shows."
MUSICNOTE must have posted those comments before you moved here. Remember MN is the ancient scribe of Overland politics. With you moving here, what couple months ago, there are volumes of MusicNote's wit and wisdom you have missed. Music Note is to Ann Purzner and the ORT as Arther Schlesinger was to John Kennedy and Camalot.
posted by PTT at 8:00 PM
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They've already already tried to play the occupancy permit issue, it didn't pan out for them.
Danny is so smart, he caught me.
You would have thought the government would have caught it when they spent $25,000 on a background investigation, when they gave me a clearance 2 levels above top secret, when they made me a missile technician and let me work on nuclear weapons on a Fleet Ballistic Missile Submarine. Or maybe McDonnell Douglas would have caught it when they tagged me for special projects and did the same background check, but no, Danny, you solved the crime. In these troubling economic times, I would think you would be more interested in getting your resume in order in case there are changes where you’re employed! By all means Danny, I feel your should report your findings to everyone. You have shown you do not care about your neighbors, stand up for our city Danny, don't let another crime go unreported. Or maybe just face the facts:
1. Your side is wrong, broke the law and the citizens are going to correct the problem.
2. You are a rat, among many rats, on a sinking ship of fools. You all should have bailed out month’s age.
I would like you to try something.
Try thinking for yourself. I know it's a scary thought, but give it a try. Come up with your own questions, check in to the facts yourself and reach your own conclusions.
Crawling in a marathon
Frustrated over comments and actions of the aging majority in this community, I feel a sense of duty to release some of my frustration in the form of my opinion. Yes, "my opinion". I repeat that because it may only be my opinion, but it is still a point of view from someone other than the bigoted aging majority in this community that is afraid of passing on sooner than later only to see that they and others have done nothing! C'mon people, take a look at the shape that this city is in and ask yourself some questions. What has been done over the last 40 years to prosper our wonderful community? Where could this city be today compared many other other municipalities that have progressed? Why are so many citizens in this community so resistant to change? I think it is a sad realization by many that they now look back over their lifetime and realize what could have been, and now want to blame their lack of foresight and good judgement on a current elected administration for all there own shortcomings and failures!
I don't want to point fingers and make accusations, but I would like to hear comments from some open minded citizens capable of actually engaging in discussion about the real hidden issues in this community that are not politically correct to talk about. If at this point you are confused about what I mean, then its to late for you anyway!
I am not afraid to speak the truth, as I see it, about anything. We all know the old cliche " The truth hurts", and unfortunately in this community the truth is a real tough nut to swallow!
here is a little food for thought for everyone that expresses their opinions on this blog. It is very typical and extremly obvious to anyone who can read between the lines that if one must resort to poking fun at the way someone looks, acts, eats, talks, or where they are from etc in thier arguments, then it reveals the true personality and lack of real content and believability of ANYTHING they have to say. I think you know who I am talking about. I do not claim to be very intelligent, but I do know how to read people, and when some people just like to make fun it shows thier true colors.
"Fine Wine" recently commented on OverlandChat that Gravy could get "Music Note"'s Email from me. Well, that entirely true. Though I have communicated with "Music Note" via Email in the past I have not heard from her since I suggested that she could find the source of all the Hate and Discontent in Overland's Online Community by looking back in the archives of OverlandChat. Of course that was back when it went 5 pages deep (interestingly, it now only goes 3 pages deep).
Secondly, I would not pass anyone's contact information along to anyone else unless that person told me it was OK. "Music Note" has never said to me that sharing her email address was acceptable and considering the various tirades she has gone on about others posting PUBLICLY AVAILABLE information about her, I assume she would not want me to do so.
However "FINE WINE", where you are really off base here is even suggesting that Gravy should somehow know "Music Note" would attend. She posted a multitude of messages on OverlandChat saying why she would not attend, why she did not want the money, etc. Why would any reasonable person think someone was planning on attending after all of that?
Also to "DannyInspector": You really should call the election board and ask about this so they can explain why the occupancy permit is not an issue and how the Election Board has already verified the citizenship, residency, and county tax status of all those still running for a seat on the Overland City Council.
I slightly disagree with undr80nOverland. When looking at the fraud perpetrated on the citizens of Overland by that facsimile of human hair on Ken Owensby's head, I must question his character. Any man that is so full of self-loathing and self-hatred that he would need to wear a disguise every day is not a man I could trust to represent me. Maybe his disguise is more than skin deep if you know what I mean.
Rebuild the pool. I want Overland to rebuild the pool because I am too cheap to build my own. Much like my general free-loading philosophy, I want the citizens of Overland to pay for my pleasure and the pleasure of my adult children.
What i choose to use as an example was the fact that the ovcc was jumping all over and criticizing Sherry Karr wanting to know how much she paid for her signs, who made them and then criticizing her if it was Mark Brown and insinuating that she is no good just because she may have had Mark Brown make her signs!
To me the example of their questions were highly inappropriate, unethical, uncalled for, ridiculous and very, very immaterial! Chances are they don't know her personally but they have already judged her!
I know you never said anything about signs, shapes or colors,i just chose the above for an example!"
Here is one of my classic half-truths and lies. You could throw a dart at any of my posts and come close to hitting a lie. But the above is a doozy because it is a great example of how I impose my twisted world view onto others.
The reason for asking Ms. Karr about her relationship with Mark Brown and Mayor Con was to test her character. Can she be truthful. Which she obviously failed thus landing her dead-set in the middle of the ORTian ideological spectrum.
The people on the OVCC asked Ms. Karr what Mark's Quick Printing charges for signs. Never asked her what she paid. She is the one that is ashamed of her relationship with Mark Brown evidenced by her inability to be truthful about the relationship.
Here is another one of my peaches:
"If you remember at a meeting a while back, Mr. Knode was wanting a proposition put on the ballot that would allow people to vote on whether or not the residents wanted the trash service reinstated that was it, yes or no, and he said that the prop. would not have anything to do with how many pick ups a week, how many cans could be put out, or the color of the truck! He knows no one cares about the color of the truck, he was just making a point, he wants people to have more of a say in the running of Overland and i see nothing at all wrong with that. Like he explained, if the people voted "yes" on the prop. then the details would be worked out, if the vote was "no" then that would be the end of the trash issue. I see nothing at all wrong with that idea! But the H4 would not go along with that, which raises a host of questions in my mind?
Resonable people, people of character, honest folk know Knode's tactic for what it is. More hollow BS with no relationship with policy implementation. It is rather funny to think that a binary choice referendum for trash service would be put on the ballot whith a ballot containing no language in regard to defining the costs and the benefits of the policy change.
Here is a similar example.
Yes or no, should the City of Overland Provide a Porsche to each household of the City?
I knows no one cares about the color of the Porsche, the make, the model, the options, the specifications, or the cost. I am just making a point, I want people to have more of a say in the running of Overland and I see nothing at all wrong with that.
Like I explained, if the people voted "yes" on Prop Porsche then the details would be worked out later, if the vote was "no" then that would be the end of the Porsche issue.
I hope you see the disingenuous nature of Knode's referendum, or he actually buys goods and services without attention to costs. The beauty of this lie, is that it actually gives less representation, or say over policy, by the residence. Once they vote yes, they would have no input on the level and type of service in which the City would be paying.
If Owensby, Karr and Knode showed-up at your house in a trash truck once a month, would you be satisfied?
"These are the details we said we would work out later, you said you wanted free trash service and darn it that is what you have."
"Well, if you understood question #2, at the Debate, it was about a City Administrator, MBC took that opportunity to mention how Ann Purzner, and she named the rest of the council members that walked out of a meeting. Now if that is not an ATTACK then i don't know what is!"
I am listening to Lying Eyes by the Eagles. It really inspires my daily regiment of lying.
Only in the ORTian world view would stating an well known and agreed upon fact as an attack. We ORTians are actually ashamed of ourselves thus when someone reminds us of our behavior or something we have done, we believe we have bee attacked. If you only knew how often we Ortians must duck when looking into a mirror you would be surprised. It is a big number.
BEAR63114, who was talking smack about Peggy Keller? Is it not true she is being endorsed by Ken Owensby? I have it in black and white from Owensby, on some crap flyer he left on my door. She also just parrots what Owensby and the rest of the ORT say about trash etc, not one unique thought of her own (Polly want a cracker?). Those are truths, Bear not smack. So what exactly are you talking about?
"What i choose to use as an example was the fact that the ovcc was jumping all over and criticizing Sherry Karr wanting to know how much she paid for her signs, who made them and then criticizing her if it was Mark Brown and insinuating that she is no good just because she may have had Mark Brown make her signs!"
Good point Blueyes, I don't think it had anything to do with the questions being asked. It would have ended up the same way: insults from them to Mrs.Karr. That is what they do on that site. Notice they were talking smack about Mrs. Keller. Then it stopped (atleast for now) I figure if she would have given them fuel for the fire by going on there and sticking up for herself, it would be the some how. Maybe Mrs. Keller doesn't know about these comments. Maybe, that is a good thing. "
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Here is a great example of how I post under a different name but echo, concure and agree with a lie I had posted before under another name. To reinforce my original lie, I like to use other names so as to give the appearence there are other people who believe the lie.
FINEWINE, BLUEEYES and BEAR63114 were all created in order to give the false impression that ORTian lies are legitimate.
Sorry New Girl, you know the drill. I lie about a politician or issue, you call me out on the lie,provide evidence directly to me refuting the lie and then I pretend like you never called me out by restating the lie under a different username.
"The way i look at it is the people that get out and vote should only be the ones involved in a recall rights and that is it. "
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I don't want to tread on anyones toes here. Especially considering that SnoopDog is actually Sweaty Pickle, aka, Donna Carpet Bagger Cigerette Butt Loving Ass Counting Dill. Donna Dills is a real inspiration to me. A seasoned and crafty world class lyer like Donna Dills doesn't come around often. It is tough to find a person like Donna that will not only lie on the internet, she will even take those lies to the stand.
Donna was the first to use the multiple identity scam on the internet. I consider her my mentor in dishonesty.
Donna has consistently made the argument that if you did not vote in last April's election, you have forfeited your civil right to participate as a citizen of the United States. A real pro wouldn't you say and from a carpetbagger to boot.
These types of political repression were once at the heart of Sweaty's social philosophy. Before the Civil Rights Act, it was legal to have rules that would prohibit opposing citizens from political participation. These were known as Jim Crow Laws.
Sweaty is making an appeal to one of the most tried and true of the Jim Crow Laws: you must have particpated in previous election to participate in current election. Other favorites were the Literacy Test and Poll Tax.
If not lying, dragging our society back to the days when racism and exclusion were not simply opinions as today, but codified into law.
Sweaty loves to build her lies on a "Great Leap Backwards" type of plank. She is the best lyar ever produced in Overland and I tip my cap to her dishonest skills.
Obviously MUSICNOTE you did not read everything I had to say. When you make comments about the way someone looks or otherwise, it shows your true character, or lack of character, and from there after nothing you have to say is credible!
Bear63114, I see you can't point out anything that you called "talking smack" about Peggy Keller. Why make nonsense up? Again, please show me where any one of us on this site were talking "smack" about Peggy Keller. I pointed out truths, and you call it smack? I find that extremely interesting. I believe talking "smack" about somebody is considered to be BS....show me the BS. Muchas Gracias El Oso.
Bear63114, It was my personal observation that she was "zombie" like because she just parrots things that Owensby types up on his flyers etc. Polly want a cracker is in reference to a parrot. I would have had more respect for the woman had she had her own words and unique ideas. Peggy may be a kind human being, she is a very attractive woman, but that a councilperson in itself does not make.
It may take a while, but after you have gotten to know Owensby, Knode, Karr, Purzner and Snoozing Tom Sellers you slow down on the fake outrage and find yourself joining in.
I never said a word about any of these people until they sent a phony newspaper to my door called The Overland Watch. It was a publication written by the Mayor and her supporters. The Overland Watch was full of lies, misinformation and smears. The sponsor who advertised in the paper were from The Adult Entertainment community, escort services and the like. They brought their name calling bs to me. They were so brazen that they placed their pornographer sponsored paper directly under my no soliciting sign.
Then, the above mentioned politicians wouldn't hold a meeting at a venue large enough for me to attend. I couldn't camp-out at City Hall in order to get a seat. With full knowledge that citizens were being shut-out from the process they refused to make an obvious choice to hold meetings at Community Center. And get this, we had to actually go to court in order to force the Mayor to allow the citizens of the community attend the meetings. It was so obvious that the County Prosecutor was directly quoted as saying, "Mayor Purzner has zero credibility".
Did you know that Ken Owensby claims he is a teacher, as in one who is employed by a school district for the purpose of teaching children. He is lying directly to me as he is not a teacher and has never held a full time teaching job. That type of disrespect far out outweighs my pointing out that he is always altering his appearance by wearing various disguises.
See I am responding to their insistence to litter my ward with their "newspaper" while simultaneously attempting to prevent me from participating. So when you have had enough of their disrespect feel free to stop by and post your thoughts on the above mentioned politicians. It is a learning process and we all have to go through it when entering Overland politics.
Under80,
You state we need discussion on the "real hidden issues". Please "un-hide" these issues so that they may be discussed.
I am for progress in Overland. Unfortunately, progress has many definitions in this city.
Bea63114, Watch Peggy's debate answer in regard to "FREE TRASH". She starts out admitting she has a lot to learn about budgets. Then she parrots the ORT by saying "where did the money go?" and goes on to blaming the City Attorney of pocketing the money in fees....that is CLASSIC OWENSBY trash talk. So if she doesn’t know about budgeting, how can she claim the money is there? Another classic Owensby/Knode rant. They claim to have $610K allocated for trash, that amount would not even cover a half a years worth of trash pick up. Do the math. Where will the subsequent funds come from? Where are the quotes from the waste companies? What are the particulars for pick up i.e. recycle, ward waste and amount allotted for pick up, one can, two cans et cetera et cetera.
Let me give you a simple math lesson here, let’s say for brevity sake and keep the numbers simple. Let estimate 16,000 residents paying approximately $30.00 (I know it’s much higher than that) per quarter that would be $480,000.00 per quarter, now times that by 4 quarters and that will equal $1,920.000.00 per year. Do you see the short fall? I most certainly do, and I am far from genius. So how on earth, do these people who back “free trash”, going to come up with the difference? The utility taxes paid out do not even come close to the 1.9 million plus needed for trash pick up.
I am assuming that you are referring to me in your last comment musicnote. Let me just say that I do not want to lump several individuals together in a group and then try to comment. I do not agree with a lot of the things that have gone with the city government recently, however that does not mean I should disrespect the elected Mayor in this town like our own (I say that lightly)police chief and city attorney. Again I ask you to really reflect on the shape the city is in and ask yourself, did this happen overnight, or has it been going downhill for many years. Then you cannot help but come to the conclusion that this mess is not Ann Purzners fault, but a long string of very bad government
RACISM,DISCRIMINATION,AND BIGOTRY!
Unfortunately you and I can talk about it all day long Suzyjax and that will never change anything, unless those people either die or move to florida. That would probably only leave about 30% of citzens remaining. Just my guesstimate! The deep dark hidden truth is only talked about behind closed doors through the good ol' boy network and that network still has way to many ties to government and law enforcement in this community. These kinds of attitudes are inbread and will never change unless each individual makes a conscious effort on thier own to change them. Then ,and only then, can real change take place in this city.
Ok, I'll concede that point.
It does not relate to the fact that Ann Purzner put a newspaper on my doorstep that was unnecessarily full of lies and character assassination of May, Oconnel Shneider and Corcoran while featuring quarter page photographs and glowing praise of Owensby, Knode and Snoozin Tom Sellers.
As the movie goes,
John: "l just wanted something to eat. But the man provoked me, Sir."
Col: "You provoked them too,John."
John: "They shot first, not me."
Col: "Let me get you out of here!"
John: "They shot first."
I wouldn't put these people in a group but not for the fact that they consistently put themselves in a group. Evidenced by the Overland Watch. Evidenced by their walk-outs. Evidenced by their support and testimony in the legal actions taken against the Mayor.
When anyone of them decides to start identifying themselves as individuals, I will stop lumping them together.
So I will concede your point that Ann Purzner is not solely responsible for the issues facing Overland. I ask you with due respect. Having conceded that Mayor Purzner is not solely responsible for inept governing in Overland, what in the world would lead you to believe she represents the solution?
I never claimed that Ann Purzner was the solution. Take Ann out of the equation, and what do have left, you still have a huge problem that is not solveable with all of the present councilpeople and most of the new candidates
You wrote that you did not believe Ann Purzner should be recalled because she is not the sole person at fault for Overland's situation.
Policy change occurs through two mechanisms. Politicians are either replaced by a competitor with differing policy preferences through election, or the politician will not be replaced but rather will rationally change their policy preferences so as to be in-line with the electorate.
I don't believe that the current Mayor and her minority party coalition are capable of changing. Evidenced by the previous year in office. No compromises, no horse trading, only policy dead-lock and rigidity. Therefore, the only remaining mechanism is replacement, which I have embraced.
It is painfully clear that neither Owensby, Knode, Karr, Purzner and Snoozin Tom Sellers have a majority of support within the city writ large or individual ward writ small.
They have had a year to consolidate their support and get something done. After a year, they have actually lost every political battle, proposal and worst of all court cases.
Speaking of court cases, do you disagree with the St. Louis County Circuit Court's ruling against the Mayor and the ORT in the Sunshine Law case in which the judge ruled that Mayor Ann Purzner was in violation of the law?
If so how do you disagree with the court's ruling and Bob McCulloch's quote after winning the case against Purzner that the Mayor has zero credibility? Was the court wrong? Was the court biased? Because if you do not disagree with the ruling then you agree Mayor Purzner broke the law and ignored the advice of everyone.
I say again, how can you argue that Ann Purzner should remain in office regardless of the name calling that you are so offended by?
Personally, when a court rules a political leader has violated the law with the intent to suppress my Civil Rights, I do not believe they are worthy of office.
I love the changing of the topic. Nothing like bringing up one sad state of affairs to avoid talking about another. While we are on the topic, I think it is unbelievable that Ann hasn't hired a single minority during her time in office. In fact, I think it is unbelievable that Ann didn't complain in all those years as an alderman that minorities have not been hired. I agree the hiring practices of the City are racist and Ann is the Mayor. Just another example of a deplorable practice that is taking place under Ann's leadership (or lack thereof). Since she is in the same mold of the past Mayors, its time for a change. Let's recall the racist now.
Hairy, I must say, you have a very good point there. I wonder why Ann never spoke up in her 14 years on the Council on behalf of Minorities and the lack of employing them in Overland? I wonder if Knode, Owenswig or Sellers tried to fight for employing minorities. Oh wait, Owenswig does like flashing the pitiful picture of the deceased Mr. Silva, perhaps that is Owensby’s sick way of "represent'n". Before you try to claim I spelled representing wrong, I didn't, I wrote it out phonetically in slang.
Ngit,
Love the Silva angle. I wish I had thought of that one myself.
Hairy
I never really wanted to talk about a dead citizen in a light that seems to come so easy to some of lessor character, but since I see that I must be talking to a much lower class of people, then lets talk. check into it people, the police chief covered up the fact that they killed a human being with the help of the city attorney, and it just gets swept under the carpet like dirt. let me tell you this, whoever is in charge of this city and the law enforcement in this town, I will not sit back and watch and listen to what happens. I will make something happen. I do not just talk. The chief of police in this town should sleep ith one eye open!!!!
Uh, Sweetpickles a/k/a Donna, I never once said you were Snoop Dog. I know Snoop Dog is Courtney, by her own admission. Show me where I ever said you were Snoop Dog or have 9 personalities. Why must you constantly lie? Aren’t you sick of being a liar? I believe you are loosing it. I have never gone under a different name, if I have something to say, I use my own name. Way back when on OV, some of us were goofing on Music Note, by using silly user names but keeping our proper “logged in as” names. I have never guised myself under a different user name.
Please show me a post of mine, where I have accused you of being Snoop Dog. Put up or shut up.
Undr80n, Did you ever call Owensby to complain about him constantly flashing the picture of the deceased Mr. Silva? Or did you call Owensby to complain about him exposing the Silva family to possible identity theft by showing Mr. Silva’s SS number on his flyers?
I personally feel bad for the Silva family. I would not want some idiot flashing photos around town of my father or husband naked on a table after he passed away. I think that is a horrible act of callus and shame on Owenby’s part. I do not know the Silva family, but I feel bad for them, that Owensby uses them in this manner.
Under80Overland,
Why do you start every comment by running people down and calling them names such as "some of lessor character" and "much lower class of people"? How do you square your appeals for civil discourse absent of personal attack with your pentient for personal attack?
Over80Overland, you claim you want to have a civil discussion and discourse concerning Overland politics. I asked you a few simple questions in response to your posts but you will not respond.
What I can't understand is that if you honestly believe that Chief Herron and the OPD are responsible for Mr. Silva's death, why do you spend so much time saying this to us yet you don't involve the FBI? An investigation was conducted and the OPD was cleared of any criminal behavior of neglect.
Before you start into discussing the Silvaa family and their choice to bring aand ultimately settle a civil action against the City.
"the police chief covered up the fact that they killed a human being"
You are making the charge that Chief Herron and Bob Herman committed a crime. If Bob McCulluch thought it necessary to bring charges against Mayor Purzner for violating the Sunshine Law, don't you think he would have devoted some resources to investigating the capital offenses you are charging?
The fact is that the incident was thoroughly investigated by several law enforcement agencies all concluding that there was no crime committed here and that Mr. Silva's death was not caused by his treatment by the OPD.
Anybody picking-up a theme here? Something smells sweaty around here.
If you are going to come on this board and ask for a discussion then why don't you join the discussion by responding to the other participants on the board. We are trying to engage in a discussion under your rules but when someone challenges one of your many conjectures you ingore the critique and supply another conjecture.
We like to have fun around here but withing the bounds of intellectual honesty. If you want to participate, then do so. Simply making charges without acknowledging the rebuttal will get you run from the board.
I personally, would like your participation to continue and I hope you appreciate not being called any names.
PS: In regard to minority participation I will defend Mayor Purzner. Her lawyer was originally Eric Tolens and Mayor Purzner was four square behind hiring Joe King as City Manager.
undr80noverland,
Lets stick to the facts. Silva refused medical attention when the OPD called EMS for him. That's what the piece of paper was Owensby was passing around. He reduced it down because he did not want anyone to be able to read it.
Silva walked out of the OPD in the custody of another PD and died in THEIR jail 4 days later. As it was posted by someone else, you are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts!
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