Monday, April 30

The Latest Excuse

In keeping with the fine ORT lying tradition, we bring you the latest excuse/coverup/lie regarding the inconsistencies of postings by certain ORTian.

people post, then people don't post, they give their user name and pass word to
someone else.


Hmm....
Why would someone give someone else their username and password when new ones can be easily established? And don't cry to me when your credibility is in the crapper if/when you let people freely use your identity. This akin to crying foul to the credit card company for charges your kid put on the credit card you handed them.

If your name (albeit chat board username) is that invaluable to you, please continue this practice. We will continue to point out the inconsistencies (lies) in your posts. After all, if your name is that invaluable why would you care if we trash it?!

Frankly, I don't believe this at all. It is just another excuse for their lies which we readily correct. It's like an episode of To Tell the Truth. "Will the real Carol Sparkes please stand up?"





59 Comments:

Blogger New Girl in Town said...

FINE WINO QUOTE "Come on folks, is that so hard to understand. There has been another
Fine Wine and another Blue Eyes posting before the current posters took over after they decided
for whatever reasons they didn't want to post anymore." END OF FINE WINO QUOTE

Suzy, I would like to add the above FINE WINO BLUE MUSIC GOAT QUOTE to your thread.

Hard to understand? Not at all, I understand you need mental help.

7:28 AM  
Blogger New Girl in Town said...

Bear63114,
I know how you feel. God Bless and protect your loved ones serving in Iraq, and that they return home safe.

7:39 AM  
Blogger PTT said...

You mean to tell me that Carol Sparks is using a lie in order to explain away her well establish daily program of lying.

Truly pathetic, but certainly consistent with everything Carol Sparks has brought to this community: heaps of bullshit.

7:57 AM  
Blogger PTT said...

Forty or fifty years worth of bullshit. Was Carol always this dishonest or did she recently incur brain trauma?

7:59 AM  
Blogger PTT said...

Why does Carol Sparks always use military service to perpetuate her deceit? No matter which character is pretending to be, they have this "just got back from Iraq" angle.

Does she think that this cover will give her credibility? Really sad. Served in Vietnam and currently in Iraq. Ok, why did you sit-out Panama, Kuwait and the Balkans?

Come on Carol.......


I mean what could be more offensive? Hiding behind the service of others. Wow Carol, you are a disgraceful human.

8:07 AM  
Blogger PTT said...

I have never known a serviceman who felt the need to verify their military service. The only people who behave this way are those looking to use military service as a way to gain credibility or satisfy their self-loathing lack of self-esteem.

Thou protests too much Carol. And imagine that all of your personas will be in complete agreement.

Your a joke of a human Carol and although already irrelevant, I can't wait until you direct you lack of character back towards your family and not our community.

8:17 AM  
Blogger PTT said...

Carol, Did you learn to be this disrespectful during your tour in Iraq? Why would someone returning from Iraq, after avoiding the Reaper for a year, to return to Overland and take on Suzanne Jackson because of a posting?

You have no shame Carol. Calling you a communist would be a compliment.

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL SUZYJAX THAT SHE'LL NEED TO CLEAN HER OLD BLISTER,CORNIE,DEAD SKIN FEET BEFORE SHE WEARS THOSE SANDALS THIS YEAR? THERE'S NOTHING LIKE A FAT ASS WOMAN WITH YUCKY LOOKING FEET. SOMETHING ELSE, NEW GIRL IN TOWN, IT'S SUMMER TIME NOT WINTER!! PUT AWAY THAT YARN AND STOPPING LOOKING LIKE SOME OLD WOMAN WITH NOTHING TO DO AT A CHURCH SOCIAL. HONEY, YOU'RE NOT A BAD LOOKING LADY,BETTER THAN SUZYJAX OLD UGLY RUMP,BUT THE YARN JUST TURNS MAN ABOUT TOWN OFF OR IS THAT WOMAN ABOUT TOWN. LOSE THE LIBRARY BOOK BAG, THAT'S BAD FOR PICKING UP A MAN OR WOMAN. DID BIG RUMP SUZYJAX GIVE THAT TO YOU? WELL? I'LL BET SHE SHOWED YOU THE SUPERMAN COLLECTION AS WELL. SHE'S VERY,VERY IN LOVE WITH SUPERMAN. YOU KEEP EATING AT THE SOCIAL EVENTS, YOU START LOOKING LIKE WANDA. DO YOU LIKE ICE CREAM?

8:22 AM  
Blogger PTT said...

And not done yet, Carol decides to make fun of the mentally disabled in her weekend of hate.

Nice work Carol, I am glad Jesus loves you because I always hate to see a shut-out.

8:24 AM  
Blogger PTT said...

I KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT YOU NEW GIRL IN TOWN.I GOT MY EYES ON YOU...YOU SURE ARE SEXY.

This is what twenty years in the military does to someone?

8:25 AM  
Blogger PTT said...

I tip my hat to the Bear and apologize for any inappropriate "lumping" I may have drawn her into.

Bear you are welcome to post over here anytime. Integrity matters.

8:29 AM  
Blogger New Girl in Town said...

Funny how FINE WINO BLUE EYED MUSIC GOAT, came to MAN ABOUT TOWN’S aid to help fuel the fire of the military fraud he is perpetrating.
We may have said silly things over time, but at least we never ever degraded our US Armed Forces, by falsely claiming to be in the US Military or help somebody commit the fraudulent act of claiming to be in the US Military as FINE WINO BLUE EYED MUSIC GOAT has.


Going over to Owenswig's house reading Soldier of Fortune together does not constitute Military service.

9:14 AM  
Blogger New Girl in Town said...

Posted by FINE WINE on April 30, 2007, 10:42 am, in reply to "See ya"
User logged in as: FINEWINE

Bear, what BS, I only think we have one oe two
people on this site that are not that nice.
where are the lies?
END OF OVERLANDCHAT POST
_________________________________

Doesn't that make you want to just vomit?

9:22 AM  
Blogger PTT said...

I thought that was the most truthful thing Carol has ever said. There are only one or two on the OverlandChat that are not nice and full of lies: The Queen of Carpetbagging and the Princess of Bile.

9:30 AM  
Blogger New Girl in Town said...

BLUE EYED WINO MUSIC GOAT is asking Bear63114 to stay and try to ignore the liars and nuts on Overlandchat. BLUE EYED WINO MUSIC GOAT, helps out and agrees with these liars and nut cases on Overlandchat. Isn’t that rather hypocritical of you BLUE EYES?

10:45 AM  
Blogger New Girl in Town said...

Posted by Sweetpickles on April 30, 2007, 1:38 pm, in reply to "Re: See ya"
User logged in as: Sweetpickles

If you don't think that there is something seriously wrong with them, look at todays post 9 from gravy and 5 from nitwit, all about poor Carole. See why she should be cautious ?? That is sick.
END OF OVERLANDCHAT POST
___________________________________
Once again you lied and shot yourself in the foot at the same time Sweetpickles. One of my posts was to Bear63114, and the rest were to FINE WINO BLUE EYED MUSIC NOTE. I’m glad you finally admitted they are all Carole. I never mentioned Carole’s name in any of my posts today.
DOE !!!!!!

LOL...I didn't know we were supposed to have a post limit...LOL

11:52 AM  
Blogger PTT said...

"You keep lying, we'll keep posting."

Exposing ORT Propoganda since 2006.

I was gone for a while and you folks at the OverlandChat had built a nice backlog of lies that I needed to work through.

The only stats you seem to miss is the poster to username ratio, or PUR. The PUR measures the ration of people actually posting to the number of usernames posted under. The PUR is bounded by zero and one.

The PUR for the OVCC at the upper bound of one whereas the OverlandChat PUR is estimated to be less than .10.

11:53 AM  
Blogger PTT said...

When Carol stops lying, I'll stop pointing it out. I wish the lady no harm and have no knowledge of her outside Virtual Overland.

11:55 AM  
Blogger New Girl in Town said...

Gravy,
I think Sweetpickles is just trying to scare Carol into thinking we wish her physical harm. That is the ORT way to, intimidate. And if Carol stupidly chooses to believe anybody here at OVCC wishes her physical harm, there is nothing we can do about it. They are being foolish and taking things too far. All we are doing is pointing out lies and deceit, if that scares them....oh well.

12:35 PM  
Blogger PTT said...

It is like showing a cross to a vampire.

12:55 PM  
Blogger Edgar Casey said...

Dear bloggers,

I am tired of hearing about Carol Sparks. She is so unworthy of all your attention.

What do you think about this and its effects on the surrounding community?

3:46 PM  
Blogger John Moyle said...

FineWine what most recent Scam would you be referring to?

4:47 PM  
Blogger John Moyle said...

Edgar Interesting question.

I normally could care less about businesses like this. It is a market many people have participated in for eternity and a huge number of American's will buy all sorts of "adult" products one way or another (many believe the revenues from adult entertainment built the internet into what it is today).

However, location is usually the key issue. No matter who you are, even if you are a regular customer of such establishments, you don't want it in your backyard.

It this case I have an issue with the proximity to a playground. I find it hard to believe there is not a better location in Berkley that is away from areas where children gather.

What I find most amusing is Larry Flint's quote: "There are no dancers, nothing offensive, no alcohol served to anyone,". Now Larry Flint, of all people, should know that if something is associated with sex in anyway there will be those who are offended by it. To suggest there is nothing offensive at this location is a bit much.

What I would like to know is what the reasoning was behind the Berkley City Council's decision to allow this business.

5:00 PM  
Blogger Kilvinsky said...

REVENUE, REVENUE, REVENUE

5:19 PM  
Blogger John Moyle said...

Point taken Kilvinsky. However, in the long term it doesn't always work out. Establishments like this often have a negative impact on the property values around them. Lower values mean lower revenue from property taxes. Though Municipalities do not get a huge portion of that tax, once the ball it rolling there could be a decline in businesses in that same area (less attractive area often means less business for a host of retail companies).

In the end there is the possiblity that the sales tax revenues for a new adult business could result in lower revenues over all from the area around it.

Of course there are a ton of factors. What specifically the business is (adult books vs. adult video booths for example) what the outside of the establishment looks like, and what state the surrounding community is already in all can play a part.

5:54 PM  
Blogger Edgar Casey said...

This type of establishment will start a chain reaction into Woodson Terrace all the way down Natural Bridge.

6:32 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Edger-
Aren’t there at least two such establishments right here in Overland?

7:03 PM  
Blogger New Girl in Town said...

Good grief, BLUE EYES is blaming Fido for Bear63114 leaving Overlandchat? All Fido did was ask FINE WINO to explain this mystery scam that was pulled on the Overland residents, WINO was talking about. Fido didn’t say anything offensive what so ever. Why is it, when FINE WINO BLUE EYED MUSIC GOAT is questioned on her lies, she goes nuts on people?

Sailor and Fido are asking for clarification on this “scam” that was pulled on us Overland residents. Now I am asking, what scam? Gee whiz, it must be a good scam because only the great detective FINE WINO knows about it. Do tell…..

Bear63114 has her own mind and just doesn’t want to bother with all the BS and lies, period, end of story. And contrary to popular belief, we here at OVCC did not “brain wash” her into leaving Overlandchat. She was the only sensible and reasonable person over there at Overlandchat, besides Fido Unincorporatedman and Lindy.

4:56 AM  
Blogger New Girl in Town said...

Unincorporatedman,
Thank you for coming forward to expose MAN ABOUT TOWN. You being in the Navy would be able to spot a fraud. He claimed to go to “Navel” special warfare school; hence I asked him what belly button school. He is claiming to be 52 years old, and claiming to be a Navy Seal at 18 years old???…..like you said might as well go big if you are going to lie. I thought Overland Sailor would have spotted this out right away too. This is 2007 so in 1973 he would have been 18.
Then you have BLUE EYES AND FINE WINO, helping this hideous fraudulent MAN ABOUT TOWN character out, by expounding on his lie, about his phony Military service.

6:25 AM  
Blogger John Moyle said...

FineWine You suggest a fraud has be perpetrated on Overland Residents and yet you refuse to clarify what that fraud is?

How is that supposed to help our community? How can residents act to prevent such things if people "in the know" refuse to inform the public?

I have to say I am disappointed.

The only "scam" I can think of that you might be referring to is MAN ABOUT TOWNS suggestion that people would only get 25% of their utility tax refunds.

As I explained earlier, I was at that Council Workshop meeting and at NO TIME was a reduced utility tax refund for residents ever discussed. They did consider holding off on the refund process and doubling it next year (to possibly save time and money) but that was voted down.

The 25% number raised at that meeting in regard to the utility tax refund was an estimate of how many refunds they expected to process before this budget year ended in June. As I said before, that does NOT mean people won't get their refunds, it only means the City has to account for the remaining refunds in next year's budget because that is the fiscal year it will be spent.

So, other than it being horribly late, there is no change in Utility Tax refunds for seniors.

If the scam you are referring to is something else, than why not explain it so people can be better informed and take action as needed?

7:19 AM  
Blogger New Girl in Town said...

Sweetpickles, what does our City Attorney Herman have to do with the adult store in Berkeley or Overland? So what if Herman has a client that owns an adult store. You would be shocked at your attorney’s clientele list or any of our attorneys for that matter. Just because an attorney has a client that may be unsavory in your eyes, does not make them a bad attorney.

I for one would not be too jazzed about an “adult store” in my backyard, but if it’s in a business district and there are no problems with seedy characters, who cares. If the outside appearance of an adult store is kept up and does not have offensive advertising in the windows etc., it is just that a business. You do not have to patronize the business, it is a personal choice. I for one have never been in an adult store and wouldn’t know what one looks like inside. The closest I have come to being inside an adult store is Victoria’s Secret, which is in almost every mall in the USA.

9:22 AM  
Blogger PTT said...

I love Sweaty Pickle.

Was the redundant disclosure of Mr. Herman's client list the main purpose of her comments or was it an after thought.

By Sweaty's logic, any company or industry that has used Robert Herman will get preferential treatment from Overland.

Hey Sweaty, if Herman matters to the issue, why is Hustler locating in Woodson Terrace and not Overland?

If Herman matters to this issue, why are there only two adult shops in town. You would think that after twenty years of service, Herman would have a shop on every corner.

In Sweaty mind good lawyers only take the cases of righteous and innocent. You know, a good guy like Ben Matlock.

But on some level it does make sense. Doug Rudman loses every case and what do you know, bringing him into Overland created more losses for Overland.

9:30 AM  
Blogger John Moyle said...

NGiT personally, I could care less about the accuracy of an anonymous internet personality's claims of prior military service. There have always been those who attempt to build themselves up with fraudulent claims of military service, heroism, etc (Inside Edition did a piece on this recently link). This issue is aggravating for those of us who actually wore the uniform to say the least. However, when dealing with aliases on the internet how is someone supposed to know who is being truthful about anything?

I tend to stay out of such discussions because, in my personal opinion, they distract from the issues with real impact on those living in Overland.

Whether MAN ABOUT TOWN is a real vet or not is impossible for me to determine, so I don't see the need to waste energy on this or similar issues.

Right now my concern is that there is a "Scam" being perpetrated on the residents of Overland and the people claiming to be "in the know" about it will not tell the public any specifics. Without specifics, we residents cannot act to correct the situation. It boggles the mind why someone who suggest wrong doing but refuse to be any more specific than the word "Scam".

Of course the follow up post:

"I won't clarify my statement. I say what I know."

might be a clue to the reality of this situation.

We will have to wait and see if anyone will enlighten us on this issue.

9:30 AM  
Blogger New Girl in Town said...

Sailor,
I understand where you are coming from, and why you don't involve yourself in those matters. It just irks me when people are fraudulent and post obvious lies and deceit. But you are right, who cares, it is just an anonymous moniker on the internet and his postings are neither here nor there in respect to Overland’s government. I just thought you, having served in the Navy, would have felt insulted by him claiming to be a Navy SEAL at the ripe old age of 18. It seems to be a mockery to those that really accomplished the arduous task of becoming a SEAL.

Sailor, I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for an honest answer about this alleged "scam" that was pulled on the residents of Overland that FINE WINO BLUE EYED GOAT has exclusive privy to.

10:56 AM  
Blogger New Girl in Town said...

Sailor,
In regard to your Inside Addition link, I found the following:

MIT DEAN RESIGNS OVER FALSIFIED COLLEGE DEGREES

The Dean of Admissions at the prestigious Massachusetts Institute of Technology has admitted that her own prestigious educational background is a complete fabrication. INSIDE EDITION has more.
___________________________________

Sound familiar?

11:01 AM  
Blogger onelayer said...

Sweaty,

Here we go again, YOU DO NOT LIVE HERE, what part of that do you not understand.

And you think the Hghts are free from adult bookstores, there was one off of Dorsett just east of 270 not long ago. Am I to assume you got it closed down?

Who Herman represents on his free time is his business. When he is on Overland' time clock then it's ours, NOT YOURS.

Let's see if I have this right, when asked why you don't bother the Hghts city hall, you said something like they didn't need it, they have competent people. Then why in the hell would you support Purzner & the likes for Overland when they were the most incompetent representatives this city could have ever had. So it's ok to back idiots as long as they're not running in your neck of the woods.

YOU DO NOT LIVE HERE, GET A LIFE & GET OUT OF OURS

3:42 PM  
Blogger onelayer said...

Sweaty,

Here we go again, YOU DO NOT LIVE HERE, what part of that do you not understand.

And you think the Hghts are free from adult bookstores, there was one off of Dorsett just east of 270 not long ago. Am I to assume you got it closed down?

Who Herman represents on his free time is his business. When he is on Overland' time clock then it's ours, NOT YOURS.

Let's see if I have this right, when asked why you don't bother the Hghts city hall, you said something like they didn't need it, they have competent people. Then why in the hell would you support Purzner & the likes for Overland when they were the most incompetent representatives this city could have ever had. So it's ok to back idiots as long as they're not running in your neck of the woods.

YOU DO NOT LIVE HERE, GET A LIFE & GET OUT OF OURS

3:42 PM  
Blogger onelayer said...

Sweaty,

Forgot, you have free trash.

The problem was Knode, Purzner & Owensby had no idea what the trash was going to cost, because according to Knode they rec'd no bids. They were going off what St. Ann was paying. Who's to say what St. Ann got it for was the same Overland would.

But you're on idiot & those you support are worse. Quit butting in where you clearly DO NOT BELONG AND HAVE NO RIGHT TO. We you raised by a toxic waste dump?

3:47 PM  
Blogger Ghost of Norman Meyers said...

While I was floating around again OS I was thinking about the story on Berkeley. It is all about revenue based on reality.

Just look at what happened to St. Ann when the Plaza's returns started to dwindle or Breckenridge Hills and Woodson Terrace for that matter.

Sustainable dedvelopment will never be a reality in these cities if they are forced to lower their standards to maintain services and keep above water.

PayDay Loans, Nail Shops, Braiding Shops, Resell It Shops, Serenity Hourly Rate Motels, 3 automobile stores all at virtually the same interesection as well as Adult Toy shops spellout the reality's associated with the decline of the North West region economically, socially, and geographically.

The answer and balancing act lies ahead.

7:00 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Got the Localite today. Guess the mayor election is in August.

Who does this Schneider think he is? For a year the guy just sat there like a lump of coal. He didn't say or do anything. Kinda reminded me of Sellers.

And he wants to be mayor?

Thanks, but no thanks.

9:32 PM  
Blogger PTT said...

"You said in one of your post you don't know who this Carole Sparks is. I find this very very hard to believe for if you lived in Overland any great amount of time you would for sure know that she was very instrumental in making people feel safe in the days of Civil Defense and things she has done for Overland since! "

How could anyone not know the legend of Carol Sparks? What do you live in a cave.

Was she real or myth, I don't know but she sure is instrumental in making me feel safe. Of course if the situation can't be made safe, feeling safe is the next best thing.

I have been on the Overland scene since late-1960s. I had never heard of Carol Sparks until a few months ago as a result of her compulsive and deceptive multi-posting on OverlandChat.

Instrumental in making people feel safe? Isn't that one of those exaggerations you may find on someone's resume for.. ..like. ....holding hands.

10:12 PM  
Blogger John Moyle said...

FINE WINE

As I have explained before. It is perfectly OK for the Mayor, or in this case the President Pro Tem, to authorize advertisements for the election before an actual vote to hold that election.

If on April 23rd the Council had voted against holding that election this money would have been wasted. However, the Council voted Unanimously to hold it.

The City added the Election Notice to the City Website and Ran ads in the Post-Dispatch a week before that filing opened, the Suburban Journal that hit that Tuesday Evening and the Localite (BTW the Cut off date to file is usually a Friday so I assume it was the 20th). These were run to ensure that there was a proper announcement period before the filing date.

Finally, the City has a weird process of having a list to get on in advance. This process I assume began some time ago to avoid arguments about who was there first on the actual filing day. That list was made available on Thursday April 19th, which was after both the Post Dispatch and the Suburban Journal ads ran. However, unless you know Overland has such a list, you would not have known you could sign up on it before the filing date (and then camp out on City property from then until the filing opened to maintain your place in line).

BTW, I am not a fan of this "pre-filing list" being available so many days before the actual filing. 24 hours might be appropriate, but making it so people have to camp out on City Property for 5 days seems a bit ridiculous to me.

Now that I have answered your question on this issue FineWine (for the second time I believe) I was wondering if you would answer mine and tell me what the "scam" is that you were referring to earlier on OC?

11:25 PM  
Blogger onelayer said...

Aritcle in the post metro pg. C6, Budget plan: Bonus for Overland workers.

3:59 AM  
Blogger suzyjax said...

The link to the Post-Article about the budget that Onelayer referenced is here.

5:24 AM  
Blogger suzyjax said...

Sailor, If I recall correctly the prefiling list came about after one candidate had waited for days and was then told he wasn't first in line (since they don't actually stand in line at the city hall doors). This, to me, seems like a good compromise and better than having a line of people outside the city hall doors, blocking traffic, for the five days in question. (Or even longer than 5 days if this process was not in place.)

5:28 AM  
Blogger suzyjax said...

Sailor,
They are trying to put Jerry May in a no-win situation. On one hand, he could be responsible and give appropriate notice for an already short-notice election. If he does, he faces the wrath of "acted without city council approval" (though the actions completely fall within the realm of his responsibilities).

Now, if he would have sat and waited until the council could meet and vote, there may not have been sufficient time to open the ballot and appear on the August election. Then, he would have been accused of trying to stay "in power" longer than necessary.

Again, trying to paint May into a corner. May did the right thing.

5:31 AM  
Blogger New Girl in Town said...

In regard to the Post Dispatch article, it sure is amazing what can be accomplished when there are competent people at the helm.

1:06 PM  
Blogger PTT said...

"How does it feel to be a liar?
A spreader of false statements, a liar, a prevaricator, a liar, you are going to have to learn what people on the ovcc say, you have to back up what you say!! Other wise you are a liar!
Ooops, that don't apply to the posters on the ovcc, only the posters on the OC, but wait, you are a poster on the OC, so i guess in the eyes of the ovcc, you are a liar!!!!!!!!"

Boy is Carol Sparks looking for company. If anyone would know what it feels like to have their lies exposed it would be the "Old Faithful" of lying herself Carol "Blue Eyes" Sparks.

Actually Carol, telling the truth is central to the role of the OVCC.

If there is a statement or comment that you, Carol Sparks, believe to be false given the evidence provided, please point to these incidences and documentation will be soon to follow.

I promise you Carol, if you start telling the truth I won't point it out. Otherwise.......

6:40 AM  
Blogger PTT said...

Bad Grammar

"That is why so many of them speak such good English".

Isn't that quaint?

Good Grammar

That is why so many of us speak English well.

7:24 AM  
Blogger PTT said...

Bi-lingual? That's amazing!

7:28 AM  
Blogger PTT said...

No problems here Bear.

The person that posted the comment was Carol Sparks using her Blue Eyes character. She has also added a reply from her other favorite character, FINEWINE.

It is hard to keep Carol's personas straight sometimes which is why we all wish she would stop being so disingenuous by posting under several monikers and conversing with herself.

I personally would like to take Carol seriously and would do so if she could be genuine and stop replying to her own posts. How can you have an honest discussion with someone who can't present their thoughts in a straight forward and genuine manner?

You can't.

7:38 AM  
Blogger John Moyle said...

Bear63114, park maintenance could be better in Overland, that's for sure. However, it all costs money in one fashion or another and there are some alternatives to consider that could make it better for less.

People wonder why Norman Meyer's Park is in such good condition. Some think this is because of favoritism on the part of the City. However, it is my understanding that much of it is done by the the Lion's Club. They use that park for their events, so they volunteer to do things to make it better (like a recent meeting where they offered and were approved to paint the fence at their expense).

Those of us that use the City parks should consider getting together. Perhaps the City could act as an organizational support structure for the creation of volunteer groups for each park. These groups could do minor maintenance (like trash pick up) and report larger problems (like uncovered electrical boxes).

When it comes to the bathrooms, there have been problems with them for years. It seems kids just love to flush all manners of thinks down the toilets damaging and even destroying them. This becomes expensive quickly.

Park guards might be an option (and would address more than just the bathroom issues), but even if we only manned each park with one person, during daylight hours we would be looking at a huge expense. At $25,000.00 a year per officer, the number needed to cover all the parks as well as benefits expenses and the like would cost somewhere around $200,000.00 - $300,000.00 a year.

Citizen involvement, thought local park groups could fill the gap. They could schedule volunteers to keep an eye on the parks and call OPD if there are issues like vandalism or criminal acts. Ultimately, a group of volunteers could fill the gap and probably do the job better as well.

8:25 AM  
Blogger John Moyle said...

Opps,

That should have said "vandalism or worse criminal acts".

8:26 AM  
Blogger PTT said...

See Archives,

I believe Carol started the multiple personality thing last summer after being caught in numerous lies posting as MUSICNOTE.

I didn't start using her real name until I learned of it after Carol made some comments about SuzyJax that were simply below the Everlast Waste Band.

8:35 AM  
Blogger PTT said...

No alcohol in the parks limits the attractiveness of the park to alcoholics.

9:22 AM  
Blogger John Moyle said...

Bear63114 I understand what you are saying about the bathrooms. However, if you had gone anywhere else like a store for example (many do not have public rest rooms) you would be in the same boat. There is something to be said for planning (like Dad always saying "you should have gone before we left"). :-)

When it comes to maintaining the bathrooms, it is one of those issues where the costs could be addressed in a different way. For example, though not as attractive, port-a-potties could be regularly delivered to the parks cheaper than the 10s of thousands we could spend constantly fixing the toilets and the like. Though they would be subject to vandalism, most notably being tipped over as well.

Then again, if strong park volunteer organizations were to form up, frequent vandalism at the parks could potentially become a thing of the past. They wouldn't stop it all, but they could make the problem small enough to be financially manageable by the City.

9:26 AM  
Blogger PTT said...

Sweatie,

Rather than putting another burden on business owners in Overland, why don't you contribute something to the community and volunteer to clean the rest-rooms at Brooks Park.

You know after running a business for ten hours a day, five days a week, nothing a business owner looks forward to more than spending his free-time cleaning the public restrooms at City Parks.

Brilliant Sweaty, brilliant.

11:16 AM  
Blogger PTT said...

Nothing at Brooks park in which a bull-dozer couldn't fix. How many housing plots could we fit into Brooks Park? With the sewer opening right there we could have another Cold Water Creek Estates development.

11:20 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Anybody here know about the moral at City Hall Heard it is once again going down again and fast . I heard Boone really reemed the workers after he came back to work saying its his way or the highway. Nice job he is such a great manager and admired by virtually no one.

12:09 PM  
Blogger John Moyle said...

Hey folks, just a quite SPAM note. :-)

I posted a suggestion for a City Calender over at The Overland Examiner as a way to get a discussion started on the subject.

Why not pop over and weigh in? :-)

4:58 PM  

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