Today's Reading Assignments

Gather round kiddies, cause we have a heavy reading load for today.

First, up, the wonderful Norm Parrish reports in today's Post that Queen Ann will have some legislation in her honor is his article titled "Purzner's nursing claims leads to proposed state measure". It can found online, here (Please do not post the ENTRIE article here).

One can only assume that the state legislature can start working on other legislation befitting Overland's Year of Terror. Perhaps, something about stiffer penalties for knowlingly and wantingly violating open government laws.
Your assignment: What other legilsation can be created to assure no other Missourian has to live through a Queen Ann?


Next reading assignment is a related reading in the vein of false occupations---the latest Owensby mailing. It begins with his claims of being a teacher, but is so full of falsehoods that it will eventually require it's own post. However, I have scanned this and posted it online here.
Your assignment: Find at least 3 lies, any additional gets extra credit.

Owensby has been running up his city-paid cell phone?

Today, WinoBlueGoat posted:

Posted by FINE WINE on March 30, 2007, 12:11 am,

…Mr. Oakes came to my door, the point I didn't care for was his issue was more about the Mayor then himself. Never try to sell yourself by downing another person. The mayor is one issue,I needed to hear about Mr. Oakes intentions for the city of Overland.

One can only assume Fine Wine lives in Ward 3 as Mr. Oakes doesn’t really have time to campaign outside his ward. When you tie this to another post of WinoGoat’s she accuses her council member of running up his cell phone bill, yet not returning any calls.

On Wednesday, it posted:

Posted by FINE WINE on March 28, 2007, 6:00 pm,

Whatever happens I still would like answers to my questions. Not in one year have I been able to find the truth or even a lie, we should know the city is in bad shape when you can't find your councilman, can't reach him by phone, and yet he runs up a humongous bill on the city cell phone.Yet no body at city halls knows squat.

Thus, one can extrapolate that Owensby is too busy stealing his neighbor’s trash to return phone calls. In addition, he has a rather large city cell phone bill. And nobody at city hall will address the issue because they are scare of the wrath of Queen Ann.

I really don’t see what other story it can be. Maybe Carol Sparkes is up to her typical lies and innuendo by stating things like “you can’t find your councilman” if her council person isn’t the one in question. At best, El Sparko is disingenuous. Maybe she just upset that if Owenby can run up such a bill why doesn't she still have her city-paid made-up job of Civil Defense Dog.

Donna Dill--your pants are on fire!!

Liar, Liar, Pants on fire!
Liar, Liar, Pants on fire!

You know, if you just don't lie, it is much easier to keep your story straight. I know it just burns Donna Dill that some of us have excellent memories and can/will/do call her on her lies.

Exhibit#1

Posted by Sweetpickles on March 28, 2007
Your correct, you are not a member of the ORT, because there is no group called ORT, it is a name that was made up to sound like a group and only referred to a couple of times by the person who made it up. This bad dark sided bunch of crazy people have made a big deal out of it and now it is a popular name. So if you'd like to join a figment of THEIR imagination, by all means, go ahead.


In the past, she bragged that she was the one who came up with the ORT name. So, she is referring to herself when she says "only referred to a couple of times by the person who made it up." Really, talking about yourself in third person is so mental.

Exhibit#2

The following was left on my door a while back.
http://www.suzanne-jackson.com/OP/ORT/Ward4.pdf
I posted it on the net the day it came. It clearly states "Paid for by the Overland Recovery Team" and provides Owensby's home number as a reference.

The good news is that, after next Tuesday, the ORT will only be a part of Overland History. Then MusicFineWinoGoat can muse upon the "good ol' days of the ORT' on her next walk down memory lane.

up to old tricks

The ORT is feeling the water around their ankles as the ship continues to sink. And they are pulling out their usual bag of tricks and lies.
1) Wanda Knode's signs. Fear mongering at it's best. Scare people into retaining a mayor that is not working for the city by telling them that a recall vote is a vote for tax increases. But alas it is true. If we get rid of the current mayor then new businesses and new prosperity will come to overland and our property value will increase and yes we will have higher personal property taxes. So not exactly a lie but definitely not the truth.
2) Finger pointing. I logged on to the other website and surprise surprise, the ORT is bringing up the criminal record of family members of COGG supported council persons. Come now spydog, don't you know the saying about glass houses? Or do I need to re-post your illustrious background? Do we need to re-post Eric Tolen's credentials? Do we need to remind everyone of Mark Brown and Mayor Purzner's connections to a convicted child pornographer? Do we need to do a little digging into the criminal background of current council candidates that are supported by the ORT?
3) Disjointed ramblings filled with insults, Piss Pot Pete who is one of spydogs alter-egos is back and writing. All I can really say is please keep it up. When people go to the other website and see the kind of hate filled bile that issues forth from the mouths of ORT supporters it just makes them dislike the ORT even more. Every time Piss Pot Pete makes a fat joke or thinly veiled homophobic reference he shows the caliber of people that make up the ORT.
4) Illegal campaigning. Knode has placed signs in the median of Midland. This is a county road. It does fall under county ordinance. these signs are illegal. Will Piss Pot Pete/ Spydog/ JF be towing his illegal "paid for by Piss Pot Pete" sign again? campaign signs must include the name of the person or organization that paid for them and the treasurer. It is illegal to use pseudonyms on political signs.
5) Intimidation. Ken Owensby is back on the campaign trail and out threatening the citizens of our fair burb. It got so bad that some of my friends had to step in and separate him from a citizen who was refusing Owensby the right to put a retain Purzner sign in his yard. I know of at least two of my neighbors who have told Owensby that if he comes on their property again they will have him arrested for trespass.

But on the positive side there is only 7 days til April 3rd and election day. As you drive through Overland you will see a LOT of signs supporting COGG and its mission to recall mayor purzner. But as the saying goes, signs don't vote. We may have the momentum but if we don't get to the polling place we may be in for a bad surprise on the 4th. So make sure and get out and vote.

Where they lie is where they stand.

FINEWINE,

Thank you for your redundant attempt to avoid responsibility for falsely labeling me as a bigot. This is the usual ORT method. You ask them a question and rather than simply answering the question they will provide some irrelevant information and then congratulate each other on the accomplishment.

As you dodged responsibility for your Overland Watch style journalism before, you provide an answer heavy on definition but light on credibility. No where in your "response" do you provide any evidence of bigoted behavior or sentiments generated by me. Same old ORT. Same old Overland Watch politics. Same old failures.

FINEWINE/BLUEEYES/MUSICNOTE plays the smear card. I play the evidence card. She plays the no need to rsvp card. I play the evidence card. They play the cannot collect card. I play the please contact me at gravycranedurham@hotmail.com card to receive payment. They play the "he is lying" card. I play the trying to pay-off losing a bet card. They play the "can't coordinate all three so can't individually contact me" card. I play the jointly and severally card. Any one of you may contact me to collect individually. I wouldn't dream of giving MUSICNOTE's money to FINEWINE for safe-keeping.

They could play the apology card. I would then play the accept apology card. I don't know if self-awareness, humility and integrity are part of FINWINE's Christian sensibilities. FINEWINE is still babbling on about me not showing up at the Manderin House as evidence of something I am not sure.

The problem is folks, FINEWINE, BLUEEYES and MUSICNOTE are the same person and she doesn't have the personal integrity to admit to her dishonesty.

Finally, I, as opposed to the ORT, am not accustom to distributing cash to individuals at polling places. MUSICNOTE and Donna Dills are used to getting their "cash settlement" from Downstown Brown at election time. They hang at the polls. They hand Downstown a hand-bill, Downstown hands them a sack of nickles.

Money laundering is outside of my experience ladies. I believe in above board, transparent accounting, therefore meeting you behind the dumpster at your local polling place is not really my style.

To gather your winnings please contact gravycranedurham@hotmail.com to make arrangements.

You Two Are Incapable of Honesty, Even in Victory

1. Yes I set the time and place.

2. No you did not RSVP and in turn publicly smeared me as a bigot. Lie hide avoid lie.

3. I had forgotten about my Great Aunts Birthday Party when I extended the invitation in which none of your replied. The date of her birthday party, not her birthday MORONS, her birthday party, does not occur on the same day for 90 years. I mean you two are really fucking stupid. Don't pardon my English.

With family out of town, our family functions are always on the weekends so that everyone can make the journey. The depths of your stupidity has yet to find a bottom and may be infinite. Deduction, induction and reason lie outside of your experience.

Now pay attention liars.

4. As a result of mistakenly making conflicting plans, I have acknowledged over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again that

YOU HAVE WON THE BET, YOU GET THE MONEY.
YOU HAVE WON THE BET, YOU GET THE MONEY.
YOU HAVE WON THE BET, YOU GET THE MONEY.
YOU HAVE WON THE BET, YOU GET THE MONEY.
YOU HAVE WON THE BET, YOU GET THE MONEY.
YOU HAVE WON THE BET, YOU GET THE MONEY.
YOU HAVE WON THE BET, YOU GET THE MONEY.
YOU HAVE WON THE BET, YOU GET THE MONEY.
YOU HAVE WON THE BET, YOU GET THE MONEY.
YOU HAVE WON THE BET, YOU GET THE MONEY.
YOU HAVE WON THE BET, YOU GET THE MONEY.
YOU HAVE WON THE BET, YOU GET THE MONEY.
YOU HAVE WON THE BET, YOU GET THE MONEY.


5. Why I didn't stop by:

I WAS NOT LOCATED IN THE STATE OF MISSOURI ON THE DATE IN QUESTION REGARDLESS OF ANY PHONE CALLS MAY OR MAY NOT BELIEVE OCCURRED. I DID NOT CALL THE MANDARIN HOUSE ON SATURDAY AND THE HOSTESS THEREFORE DID NOT TELL ME THAT THREE WALRUSES WERE OCCUPYING THE DINING ROOM.

6. What is demeaning about a mailbox, fire-hydrant, hostess or buddha, I don't really know. I am sure it has something to do with a grade school rhetorical question your lethargic sensibilities crafted. No wonder your kids all turned out the way they did.

7. In order to receive your winnings you have to make arrangements with me to pick-up your money. I could care less about wire-transfer, I was trying to make it convenient for you to collect. I don't trade in identity theft. That is Jay Fetch's department. Do you liars not know Jay anymore? He runs your Overland Chat.

I guess if you are going to falsely claim that you cannot collect, I could throw the money in an envelope and toss it down on any number of street corners and I am sure one of you will be by to pick it up. I would rather give it directly to you. Wait, don't people in your career have a representative that collects money for your services. Should I give it directly to him?

8. If you want to debate issues, let us make plans to do so. I challenge you to a one-on-one, mano-a-whatever, Overland issues virtual debate.

Shall we negotiate the rules or will you cower in the true ORT-ian tradition?

EDITORIAL: Purzner wears out her welcome at city hall

reprinted from the 03/20/2007 issue of the Overland -St Ann Journal
http://overland-stannjournal.stltoday.com/articles/2007/03/20/opinions/sj2tn20070320-0321flo_editorial_1_1.ii1.txt

Tuesday, March 20, 2007 6:32 PM CDT
"You don't think I'm a witch, do you?"
Overland Mayor Ann Purzner posed the question in jest last week during a meeting with the North County Journal's editorial board to explain why she shouldn't be recalled from office on April 3. Although tongue-in-cheek, the remark reveals Purzner's perspective on the recall - that she's been miscast as the villain in the long-running soap opera of Overland politics. She insists she has the city's best interest at heart, and that her opponents are misguided, uninformed or spiteful. Clearly, she feels persecuted.

But Proposition A, the ballot measure that asks whether she should be removed from office, isn't personal. The question before voters on April 3 is not whether she's a good person - even some of her detractors will acknowledge that much - it is whether she has been, and can be, an effective leader for Overland.

The answer to that question has become clear during the tumultuous 11 months Purzner has occupied the mayor's office: She's not the person for the job.

Purzner proved herself to be a divisive, destructive presence from the moment she took office - literally. She began her administration by taking legal action to be sworn into office earlier than she was scheduled to in order to block action on a redevelopment project she didn't agree with. Her objection to the proposed project? That it wouldn't include retail, even though an earlier poll of several developers had shown no interest in retail development at the site.
In the months since then, she has tried to oust appointed officials without a vote of the city council, something that, in the case of Police Chief Jim Herron, a St. Louis County judge ruled was beyond the scope of her authority to do. Her refusal to hold council meetings in a setting large enough to accommodate all the residents who wanted to attend was found to be a violation of Missouri's Sunshine Law.

Purzner has walked out of meetings when things weren't going her way, and she has attempted to stifle public comments when the tide of public opinion was rising against her.

Since Purzner has taken office, the council has become bitterly divided between her supporters and her opponents. While one could argue that the ensuing lack of action on key issues is the result of her opponents' roadblocks, it is ultimately Purzner's responsibility to ensure that the city council functions. But she has done little, if anything, to try to mend rifts or find common ground. She has no control over council meetings that inevitably disintegrate into chaos, and at times she seems to lack an understanding of basic council procedures.

Purzner's lack of leadership abilities also is evident in the city's continuing stagnation. When asked by the Journal's editorial board what she had accomplished during her tenure, Purzner was able to cite just two examples: putting city employees into positions they're qualified for, and plans for a business complex that will include Beech-Nut's home office. One wonders what she could have achieved had she tried to unite city leaders under the common goal of doing what's best for Overland.

Had Purzner been willing to admit she'd made mistakes, a case could be made that she deserves another chance. But her refusal to accept any responsibility for Overland's volatile political situation is troubling. She blames the court ruling against her in the Herron case on the judge's supposed close friendship with Overland's city attorney. She characterizes the atmosphere at council meetings as being akin to "The Jerry Springer Show," yet she seems to believe she's powerless to stop it.

Ann Purzner may genuinely care about Overland's residents, but she lacks the basic skills and knowledge to translate her concern into constructive action. If anything, Purzner's legacy likely will be that of vitriolic discourse, factionalism and mistrust.

On April 3, Overland residents should vote yes on Proposition A.

Editorials represent the majority view of the editorial board of the North County Journal

http://overland-stannjournal.stltoday.com/articles/2007/03/20/opinions/sj2tn20070320-0321flo_editorial_1_1.ii1.txt

Sheri Karr Chose Not to Answer Questions From Citizens

I recommend that anyone that reads the vacuous charges and bold face lies spread by Music Note, Blue Eyes and FINEWINE to read the questions and posts involving Ms. Karr's visit to the OVCC. You will easily see that she was treated fairly. Regardless of her level of intelligence, Sheri Karr supports the type of politics characterized by the Overland Watch.

No one who posts on the OVCC has ever littered your yards and mailboxes with anything more or less an Overland Watch. The method of the Overland Chat and the ORT is to make a public charge against someone. Then hiding from their comments as if they didn't make the comments. I don't know if these claims are imagined by the ORT or they are premeditated attempts to obfuscate the real issues with false issues.

Although the cases of lie, hide, avoid, lie method are too numerous to count. Please feel free to take a moment to read either site. You will come to see that people who post here do not make charges or claims against their political opponent and then hide from the consequences.

MUSIC NOTE, BLUEEYES, FINEWINE charged me with being a bigot. Probably the most offenses of their fraudulent discourse. They provide no evidence, incident, testimony or account of my so-called bigoted behavior. I have ask her several times to respond to her charge and have been met with silence in regard to the query while simultaneously receiving another post of unfounded charges.

Sheri Karr and anyone else is welcome to post on the OVCC. What you are not welcome to do, as is standard practice on Overland Chat, is make a charge against a person or idea without defending your charge to those who have a good faith curiosity. There is no lying and hiding here. The "name calling" and more satirical posting are simply a function of being lied to by the ORT/Overland Chat, defending against the false charges to then be met with another false charge.

After a while you realize that your opponents are only interested in lying and not interested in defending their positions within the market place for ideas.

Uhhhh, Dumb, Dumber, Dumberer, Dumbererer and Dumberererest

I don't know how to make this any more simple for each of you. Bear63114, MUSICNOTE, FINEWINE and BLUEEYES need to contact me when responding to a challenge or attempt to collect winnings. I am not like Mark Brown and Mayor Con and therefore have no experience in laundering money. In order to meet for dinner or pay-off a bet, you need to respond so that I know its on. You know on the bottom of wedding invitations there are those letters R.S.V.P. I am no Mister Manners, but I believe that means the invitee is to respond directly to the inviter in regards to their plans to attend the appointment or not. If you don't make proper arrangements, how can I give you the money?

It sort of like those hillbilly weddings yawl have Sweaty, except in our case we use paper, pen, computer messaging rather than one of those hollers across the hollow you may be more attune with. "I"MA COMIN PAW!"

Sweaty acts like she has something to do with the four of you collecting your winnings. I only promised Sweaty one dinner. She has been salivating for over a week. Sweaty is more fired-up about a free plate of Mayor Con's Chicken than MUSICWINEEYESBEAR are about each getting $5,000.00. Pavlov's Pickle they call her around these parts.

I never said that I won the bet or that you lost the bet. I said I was visiting my Great Aunt on her 93rd birthday thus I was unable to make it to the Mandarin House. See that is an honest answer where the claim resembles the facts. According to Mauler, none of you were there. It is his mall, I think he would know. But, I will take your word for it and pay-off the bet. But dammit you morons, pay attention, you need to contact me so that I can give you the money.

There is little reason to discuss your ramblings posted on the OVERLAND CHAT because they need to take some sort of structure and bear a likeness to reality. So if anyone of you, any combination of you or all of you want your Manderin House Challenge winnings, you need to contact me. My goodness. "Stupid is as stupid does Forest"

For FINEWINE

"I can't remember a post by MN saying anything negative about the Chief of Police, she has said that he does try to keep order but the residents have no respect for him and it shows."

MUSICNOTE must have posted those comments before you moved here. Remember MN is the ancient scribe of Overland politics. With you moving here, what couple months ago, there are volumes of MusicNote's wit and wisdom you have missed. Music Note is to Ann Purzner and the ORT as Arther Schlesinger was to John Kennedy and Camalot.

Sweaty and Note, Sitting in a Tree, L_Y_Y_I_I_N_G!

Thanks for the Wikipedia copy and paste definition of the word bigot. That is great. Doesn't quite address the reasons you are obsessing over bigotry in relation to me. Rather than answering the question by posting another juvenile rhetorical question. I ask again, why are you smearing me with the term bigot? Step away from the mirror and your photo album and see if you still want to falsely claim I am a bigot. Maybe the urge to generate self-loathing lies and empty responses will subside if all images of yourself are removed from your field of view. Come on Donna, you can be truthful. Your not on the stand or anything so why not try working with the truth.

Worth a try?

When you are losing the argument, it's best just to change the topic

Was driving around our fair city yesterday. I saw some new Purzner supporters signs. I won't even comment too much on how they are yellow with red print--making them confusing to those that COGG put out.

However, these signs state "No Tax Increase". As if Prop A was a bond issue. It is a recall issue. I assume this is what one does when faced with a losing battle--change the issue. Voting Yes on Prop A will not raise your taxes. In fact, if we keep Queen Ann in office we will have to eliminate services and/or raise taxes in light of the never-ending streams of lawsuits that go hand-in-hand with the mayor's actions.

This "no tax increase" is just more of the same scare the Seniors tactics the ORT uses in all their campaigns. They know they cannot win on the argument of her record over the last 12 months thus they debase themselves to this methodology. It is an insult to voters to even put out such signs.

Up next....Marky Mark is busy printing signs that say "Keep the Trash, Keep the Mayor".

Sorry, hard to respond to every lie when little comes from her mouth

MUSIC NOTE et al.

Why did you call me a bigot?

Is that some sort of Freudian Self-Loathing sneaking out of your id? Is this a standard smear or do you have evidence for your charge of bigotry? Of course you don't, as you never do when called out for making unsubstantiated charges, accusations or good ole' fashion lie.


Remember the old saying, "Opinions are like a-holes and everybody in the ORT is one."

Lies, Lies and Sweaty Thighs

To Music Note and the assorted group of characters your are posting under these day; in order to pick-up your winnings you will need to contact me directly so that I may tender a check, Federal Reserve Notes or collect information to wire transfer your winnings to you. I am explaining this to you for my own satisfaction as I know you will continue to lie and pretend I did not make good on my offer.

(See folks, that is what I mean when I say the Purzners, Knodes, Sellers, Karrs and Blowesnmes of the world are incapable of a straight forward honest discourse. The funniest thing is that there are reasonable answers that would not get you in trouble with Mark. All Karr had to say was $10.00 a sign, whether right or wrong because I didn't ask her what she paid for her signs, I asked her what Mark's Quick Printing charges for signs. She could have answered the question without disclosing anything about her campaign. That would be a sophisticated type of politics, the anti-thesis of the ORT School of Politics and Campaigning. No, rather than be sophisticated, she immediately played the most popular of the ORTian disingenuous rhetorical cards, "none of your business, buster, your biased". Come on.

Boss Tweed had a sign hanging behind his desk. The sign contained a short message that defined his almost life-long string political successes, "Don't Make No Waves, Don't Back No Losers." The Boss Tweed creed if you will was the source of my question to Ms. Karr. I don't know how any sane person could look at the performance of Ann Purzner and her ORTian supporters over the past year without seeing that the ORT only makes waves and is replete with losers.

You know like losing every court case, appeal, motion or appearance. Or, lets say the Mayor enacted a policy that drew the ire of the top prosecutor in St. Louis County because it was a violation of the law. Or, hearing this four time County-wide elected prosecuting attorney say directly into the news camera, "Ann Purzner has zero credibility". Or, let us say as a result of Mayor Purzner's sole personnel decisions, Overland was facing several law suits from employees and former employees that she is in the process of losing. See, that type of record is not the type of record that I believe leads to long-term political success. But, yes it is true that free-agents and fans still love their Cubs, people continue to follow the Blues, the Arizona Cardinals have a sold-out stadium and Ms. Karr has decided to "make a difference" the Purzner-Owensby way. To each there own.)


Sorry back to Music Note, so if you want your money please contact me at gravycranedurham@hotmail.com to schedule a time for you to come by the Gravy Boat and get your money.

In closing let me also offer something Music Note has been missing for some time and the source of her relentless disinformation campaign against Chief Herron. I understand that you, Music Note, used to be on the Overland dole with some bs title like Emergency and Disaster Response Readiness Liason. At some time in the past this function was taken away from you and given to Chief Herron when it was learned that by doing so, a portion of his salary would be picked-up by a grant from Uncle Sugar Well no wonder you will lie on a full-time basis, you no longer get to sponge of your neighbors taxes. Well, I will help you out although I know it won't shut you up. Get in touch with me. Make an appointment. And we will transfer the funds.

No comments necessary. Please continue to use the previous post by SuzyJax to carry-on the conversation.

Election just a little over two weeks away!

Wow! Where has the time gone? Can you believe the muni elections are almost upon us? I am sure in those next few weeks we can look forward to many pieces of "interesting" mail from those opposing the deserved recall of Queen Ann.

The recall issue is important. We need to talk to our friends, neighbors, and the person in line next to us in the grocery store about how important it is to recall Ann and begin down the road to getting our city back on track. If that person seems to have bought the ORT propaganda and tell you "She done nothing wrong", you can use arguments from Ten Reasons to Recall found online.


As important as the recall issue is, the city council elections are just as, if not more, important because they will determine the direction post-recall election. I urge each of you to read Sailor's piece on Overland Examiner about the debate. He has also provided footage for you to see the Q and A sesssion, as well as opening and closing statements.

If that doesn't answer all of your questions, I urge you to call each candidate in your ward. Be direct and ask your questions. If they choose not to answer, sound unfamiliar with Overland happenings, or are disrespectful, perhaps you should consider NOT voting for that person.

Are endorsements important? Sure they are. I believe you can tell a lot from a candidate by who gives them an endorsement. And, if you question an endorsement or contribution, ask that candidate about that. For example, if a candidate receives funds from a developer you might wonder 1) does that developer have any pending deals in Overland and 2) was that money or endorsement requested or just come out of the blue. (I know a lot of firms and companies send $$$ to all candidates, trying to cover their bases.)

ORT in violation of law AGAIN

I checked the st Louis county code regarding political signs:

Political Campaign Signs
The St. Louis County Zoning Ordinance (Section 1003.168D.5.3) permits political campaign signs without a building permit in any zoning district subject to the following:
No permit from St. Louis County is required.
Political campaign signs may announce the candidates seeking public political office and other pertinent data.
Maximum size of any one sign: 8 sq. ft.
Maximum total sign area for all signs combined: 16 sq. ft. total for each lot or each dwelling unit.
Sign(s) shall be erected on private property only.
Signs(s) may not be placed in the public right of way, including sidewalk area and street area
Signs(s) shall be removed within 7 days after the election for which they were made.
These are the regulations set forth by St. Louis County. Some subdivisions may have additional deed restrictions.
Please visit Temporary Signs for information on permitted temporary signs in St. Louis County.
© St. Louis County Government 41 South Central, Clayton, Missouri 63105 Terms of Use Privacy Policy


according to Overland Ordinance the sidewalk area is determined to be:
SECTION 100.030: HOW CODE DESIGNATED AND CITED
The ordinances embraced in the following Chapters and Sections shall constitute and be designated the "The Municipal Code of the City of Overland," and may be so cited. (Code 1961 §1-1; CC 1976 §1-1)
SIDEWALK: The word "sidewalk" shall mean any portion of a street between the curbline and the adjacent property line, intended for the use of pedestrians, excluding parkways.


When you see the retain Purzner signs and the signs for various ORT candidates between the street and the property line they are violating st Louis county ordinance. Maybe we should contact Mr McCulloch's office http://www.co.st-louis.mo.us/pa/ and inform him of this violation of St Louis county ordinance. And maybe we should contact the St Louis County board of elections http://www.co.st-louis.mo.us/Elections/ and let them know of this violation of St Louis County law.

It's Not Letterman, but...

Found the following Ten Reasons to recall Queen Ann. Ain't Democracy grand.

This meeting is not adjourned!

According to the Post, the ORTians walked during last night’s meeting refusing to go into Executive Session (ES). Ann’s basis was that there was no reason for ES. However, it was pointed out that there was indeed a personnel issue to be addressed. I find this refusal for ES ironic, considering Ann and her followers want to put everything in ES regardless if it legally has a place there.

Per usual, Queen Ann doesn’t follow RROR. She hears motions, seconds, yet doesn’t allow a vote. Sometimes she allows the vote but ignores the outcome of that vote.

I can’t wait to see the cable broadcast on Thursday night. That is, if Wanda didn’t break into Charter HQ and steal the tape!

The reading comprehension of a 6 year old...

On the other website cybil note posted this:
If someone told me they seen someone going through someones mail or snooping around the property, i could not say they were lying, only that person and the accused would know. I know one thing and that is if i see someone going through someones mail, i would have called the police. Did Micheal Oakes see a crime being committed, is that why he was supposedly going through their mail?I thought it showed a great concern for the persons neighbor if they did see him going through someones mail. If there turned out to be a crime they would have been able to tell the police who was seen going through the mail.

This was in response to Mr Oakes statement:
This is a lie, but what troubles me is his and your lack of concern for your neighbors. If I witnessed someone committing a crime against my neighbors, (as I have in the past more than once) I would 1st. call the police and 2nd. Stop them, but that's just me

Once again she proves that she has the comprehension skills of a 6 year old. No where in his response did MR Oakes state that he saw someone going through the persons mail so that is why he was going through the mail. He stated that if he had been dannyinfector and had seen someone rifling his neighbors mail he would have contacted the police. Where in the world does Cybil Note come up with these things?
Cybil in your world what color is on top and which color is on bottom of a stop light?

Also if dannyinfector had seen anyone going through their neighbors mail I think he would have called the police and not just posted a lie about it on the other website. After all mail tampering is a FEDERAL offense. That would make for quite a juicy piece of propaganda. Much juicier then attack ads for service pins that the attacker voted for.

posting and new people

I am switching comments back to un-moderated.
Bear you are welcome to post here but we have a few rules.
If you say something is a fact you MUST provide documentation. That is what differentiates us from the other site, we cite our references here.
We do not allow personal attacks on other posters on this site. There will be no flame wars on here. If you want to respond to something that completely lacks any connection to reality, is a complete and utter fabrication and was posted on another site that purports to give the truth about Overland politics or someones horrid toupee feel free. but flaming of you fellow posters will not be tolerated.
Please do not direct profanity at your fellow posters. They may allow posters to use the C**T word on the other website but we do not. Direct quotes are different. If you hear any of the council people use profanity then feel free to quote them.
You are responsible for you own legal fees, anything you say on here is protected under the blog copyright but all opinions expressed are your own.
Finally repetitive postings will be eliminated. If you come on here and just enter Purzner won! 50 times you will be banned.

Thank you for your cooperation.
John Doe

Doe this is Tee.

Would JOHN DOE please contact Gravy Crane and SuzyJacks in order to determine how best to deal with this most tedious of people. I mean what a bore.

Comment Verification

Due to the fact that some folks just can't keep well enough alone, I have suspended open comments and enabled comment verification until further notice. With OverlandChat currently off-line, Amuzing Goat has decided to bring her uber tediousness to the OVCC by posting under her latest assumed name. I wouldn't mind having this person post if they were going to post something fresh, worthwhile or with a hint of flavor.

But she comes over here and starts right back into her obsessive compulsive "I am not Music Note, Who is Music Note, GEE I am one of you, you'll see" redundant cycle of delusion. It serves no other purpose but to allow this seriously odd personality to indulge herself and all of us in her self-loathing pathologies. I would love to have someone come on to the OVCC and disagree. If they could do it with a little sophistication or nuance it could be fun. But, there is little fun in debunking a serial liar.

I really hate doing this, but I do not see any alternative at the moment.

The Angina Monologues

You win. I can't type I am chuckling so hard.

The fifteen mostly odd posts over the course of four hours, I mean honestly people, there must be some joke I am missing here because this is really too much. Amuzing Goat is now posting in four part harmony with special guest soloist Sweaty Pickle joining in. And it always starts the same. The new character will ask a question about finding the OVCC by accident and being offended or confused by something. Then the Quadgoatplegic will respond with some stupid charges of hatred of women or how we are so wrong about an issue that we resort to name calling or how we are not fair or finally, how she just doesn't understand why the OVCC posters have such an obsession with some lady named Music Note. My goodness, she should write for King of the Hill, seriously. There is at least a full TV season of comedy in those posts.

You explain your obvious lie by creating a person named Blue Eyes that you never met, who was turned on to the OverlandChat from the original Blue Eyes that have met. I guess you also believe that your teenage son was spending all that time in the lavatory using the toilet. Just stop lying or go over to a local grade school and get some continuing education from the kids

SATURDAY, MARCH 10, 2007,
MANDERIN HOUSE,
5:00 PM CENTRAL STANDARD TIME

Music Note, Bear63114, Fine Wine, Blue Eyes I and Blue Eyes II are invited to dine with Mr. G.C. Whitefolks. If any two of you show up, all of you win the $5,000.00 each. I must make one caveat and that is that Blues Eyes I and Blue Eyes II will only count as 1/2 of a persona towards winning the money.

This will also be a sort of dinner theatre experience. I will be reading passages from my forthcoming book, Collected Works of Gravy Crane Durham: The OVCC Years, for all to enjoy.

Sweaty you can come too, but I am only buying you one entre. I know what your thinking.

Help wanted

Cybil Note on the other website posted a mock help wanted ad for this site. Proving once again she has the comprehension skills of a 6 year old, she has the people applying to Gravy. While I will admit he is a much more active poster then I am, I am the lead muckracker. When Blogspot administrators have issues with content it's me they e-mail (I have yet to receive any violation of terms of use notices in the year this site has been up and running.)
She then listed off the qualifications that she feels are needed to be a poster or contributor to the OVCC.blogspot. Oh by the way cybil, we hardly discriminate against people that don't have hair, if you talk to sweaty pickles she can tell you I embrace my bald head and look damn good with no hair. But then again I am not a lying sack of raccoon dung that feels I have to prove my manliness by gluing a piece of roadkill to my head. Well how about I post my own ad and speak for myself.

Wanted contributor/ poster
Small north county political website seeks contributors and posters. Applicants must.
Understand irony and be able to see it in the actions of people who submit articles about morality in a paper that runs ads for male escort services.
Must be honest and truthful. If you are hair-ing impaired don't be a liar, embrace it, don't walk around with a BAD toupee. Telly Sevales, Yul Brenner, Dwight D Eisenhower, Patrick Stewart, Winston Churchill would all be welcome to our staff (except for the dead thing).
Must be able to understand the difference between a plurality and a majority. when more people vote against your candidate they make have a plurality of the vote but not a majority.
Must be able to think independently and not have your opinion swayed by easily disprovable lies.
Must be able to perform math well enough to understand that $17.50 does not equal $22.50 and no matter what it won't.
Must have priorities that benefit the majority of the community and not just small special interest groups.
Must be able to back up postings with facts and not just say that since you remember it, it's true.
Must not use words that are considered categorically offensive by society. If you want to drop the C bomb go to overlandchat, in fact sweetpickles will applaud you for it.
Must know that federal law trumps state and state trumps city ordinance.
Must have reading comprehension skills on a high school level.

If you meet all these criteria feel free to post here. If you cannot meet these requirements please apply with spydog at overlandchat.

Thank You
John Doe
Editor in Chief
Owner OVCC.blogspot

Ashes to Ashes, Dust to Dust, Music Notes Legacy, Is a Bust.

Goaty Goat,

I speak for myself when I say that I don't care who you are or have ever sought your identity. In fact I have been offered your identity several times but have always declined. Even if it mattered to me, unfortunately, I would have forgotten within four or five minutes. "What was that name again? Oh, well". My only interest is to challenge your credibility in regard to your multiple identities and the subsequent disingenuous content disseminated from your 3-in-1 posting efforts.

As I have always clearly stated I wish you no malice and support your and your ORTian comrades right to be as delusional as you want to be while in the privacy of your own house, world, planet, dimension or wherever your thoughts are currently fermenting.

It is the lying, plain and simple. It is your self-righteous appeal to the mythological golden past. You know Goat, when everything was exactly as you want to remember it. Appeals to a utopian or golden past are found at the heart of nearly every reactionary, authoritarian, intolerant or desperate political movement. "If it wasn't for the (FILL IN BLANK), everything would be like it should be, used to be."

Why are you so ashamed of your age? Nobody around here makes fun of your age or tries to deny you your memories. You are the one that interprets everything as an insult towards your age. You are the one that can't change the antiquated way you think. I know plenty of twenty-somethings that have antiquated ways of thinking. But in honor of the Amuzing Goat's cavalcade of utopian memories we offer the following:

Everybody...Together...On Three....

A one-a and a two-a..

"Boy, the way Glen Miller played.
Songs that made the Hit Parade.
Guys like us, we had it made.

Those were the days!

Didn't need no welfare state.
Everybody pulled his weight
Gee, our old LaSalle (a car) ran great.

Those were the days!"

If that is where you want to live and where your thinking comes from, that is OK with us. Just keep it to yourself, or save it for your next fireside Goat Chat.

Oh, remember right after the war when white people were more friendly and you didn't have to associate with people who looked and thought differently. Oh those were the days.

"Boy, the way that Kennedy was slay-ed.
The Klan could turn a march into a Hit Parade.
Guys like us, even the lazy got paid.

Those were the days!

We murdered Bobby while running for the slate.
We supported laws that would discriminate
Gee, integration should be left to the states.

Those Were the Days!!!!


In closing, let me extend a direct offer to Blue Eyes. I know you are good friends with Amuzing Goat and Fine Wine. Which is sort of puzzling. Why they will not allow a working-stiff like you to earn a quick $1,500.00 for having dinner with me is sort of inconsiderate. Now, just because those two want to keep you down doesn't mean you should be completely shut out from the challenge. If you, alone, would like to earn $1,500.00 simply for eating at the Manderin House with me, I will make good on the offer without your two inconsiderate friends.

You know what, I will throw in an additional $500 if you bring your wife and $250 for each kid.

THOSE WERE THE DAYS!

Every Imaginary Man has Their Price.

I am convinced that Music Note is an ancient hydra.

"MN and I have never met Blue Eyes, only on the computer. But he seems like a very nice person.MN is our nrighbor."

Well I think that it is time for all three of you to get together over dinner. Three like-thinkers as you really ought to get together because "birds of a feather do flock together". That would be really nice. You could work on a book together.

Should I be so bold to reserve a table for four at the Mandarin House so that we may finally get acquainted. I am willing to pay for the entire meal as well as give each one of you a door prize of $1,500.00 for your trouble. If an easy thousand doesn't wet your appetites then maybe fifteen hundred will.

I'll tell you what, if only two of you can make it, the offer is still good. I believe it is the Blue Eyes and Fine Wine persona's that have families. Music Note probably doesn't have time. As you know, she has been working on the first book in her forthcoming book, "History of Overland Politics and Administration, The Lying Years 1950-2000". By the way, if all three of you contribute to the book you can save publishing by hiring only one copy editor. I think one will be able to handle the work because you make so many similar mistakes in your writing. Probably the most consistent and common error in each of your writings is forgetting to punctuate your interrogatory sentences with a question mark. You would think three writers from very different epochs would make very different mistakes. It is like they have the same literal fingerprint.

I am sure an easy fifteen hundred bucks would help out towards any number of uses. Children's college fund for example. "We see wong, and we try to ride it."

I swear to God, Mike.

If You Lie, Obstruct and Politcally Antiquated You are OUT

"I could be wrong, because I'm old , according to the antagonist on the ovcc site, if your old, if you live in ward three, if you live in section eight housing, if your gay, if paying for your trash bill twice, is a putting a strain on your wallet, then I quote:"you suck and you don't belong here."

Another day at the office for Amuzing Goat, et.al. The bullshit dispenser is running at full capacity for Goat and her multiple personalities. You are wrong and dishonest but I don't think that is a result of age, rather a result of character. You have no credibility in the present and expect people to believe you are being honest about the past.

I never argued nor believe that if you are old you suck and you don't belong here.

I clearly stated in my posts that if you cannot divorce your thinking from the petty political rivalries or you misunderstandings of the past in order to move the City forward you are out. If any of your thinking on the current issues is structured, tainted or colored by the acts of Robert Dody, Frank Munsch, Norman Myers, Mort Jacobs, Andrew Jackson or Eddy Williams you are allowing the past, often the distant past, to keep the City from moving towards a more professional administration of City service.

I never argued nor believe that if you live in Section 8 Housing you suck and you don't belong here. I cannot rebut this claim as it is so devoid of an attachment to anything I have written that it is meaningless. In fact I have personally financed the Overland Refuse Trust in the hopes of helping people who need and ask for help with their trash fees. As of this date there have been no applicants for aid.

I never argued nor believe that if you "are gay" you suck and you don't belong here. Probably the most offensive of Amuzing Goats cornucopia of lying. The only place I can think of in which Amuzing Goat would find such a thought would be from the dark recesses of her increasingly hollow brain. She probably knows a dude from the Birch Society that goes by John Stuart Mill rather than the 19th century libertarian. In no way have I ever expressed a racially, culturally or socio-economically intolerant thought on this or any blog. Please provide evidence of the contrary Goat. That will be tough considering I never expressed such thoughts and you do not believe that proof is necessary for sound judgement.

I never argued nor believe that if you is a putting a strain on your wallet then you suck and don't belong here. That statement doesn't even make sense so I would need a little more work on the grammar or her thoughts to understand what she is getting at.

I cannot be more clear, what Overland needs to move forward is good faith bargaining towards several policy solutions. If you are more interested in settling old scores from your trip down memory lane, I don't see how that gets us any closer to solving today's problems. If you want to participate in good faith without the blinder's of Overland Past, I will come drive you to the meetings.

Finally, if you think it is funny for responsible citizens to seek responsible funding mechanisms for current services, you have an odd sense of humor. If you want to have a last laugh for not wanting to economically administer the City's tenuous balance between services and revenues, then laugh it up I guess. If the majority of Overland residents want to pay for the services they enjoy, why would that be funny. I can only believe that Amuzing Goat suffers from some type of plantation mentality. She has spent so much time on the plantation that she is woefully ignorant and helpless when confronted with the outside world. We choose to turn away from the past in order to break from its abysmal administration of local government.

Remember Goat, those that fail to learn from history are doomed to a life dominated by not knowing much about history.

Utility taxes and trash collection

Once again the ORT is trotting out the lie that Overland residents are paying twice for trash collection. Backed up by the impeccable memory of Cybil Goat and her multiple personalities, they are certain (even though they have no proof) that an ordinance passed in the 1950's is slated to pay for trash service. So I did a minimal amount of research, meaning I looked at my utility bill and did a little math and the utility tax rate in Overland is 6%. So on every $100 of gas and electric I pay, an extra 6% goes to Overland for utility taxes. So rounding my bills for ease of math...
Gas $200 = $12 utility tax
Electric $75= $4.5 utility tax


so a $16.50 per month utility tax. I wasn't able to find the water and sewer bill but if I remember correctly they are a combined $50 every three months. So rounding up to $60 (again cause I am math lazy) that would be $20 a month for an additional $1.2 making a grand utility tax of $17.70.

So even if the ORT was correct in their assertion that trash collection was mandated in some 1950s ordinance, that they have no proof of, that would leave a shortfall of $2.30 per household.

So please, ORT members quit lying, quit trying to tell us utility taxes are supposed to pay for trash when you have no proof that that was ever the intent and the tax you say is supposed to cover trash hauling wouldn't even cover the bill.

What I find funniest about this is that the ORT must have realized that too many people have realized that Prop O was for capital improvements and they can't spread the lie that Prop O was supposed to be for trash pick up. So now they have latched onto this mysterious 1950s ordinance that utility taxes pay for trash pick up. What's the next 1950's ordinance the ORT is going to dig up? That mayors have to be recalled by a majority of registered voters not just a majority of the voters that turned out. Oh we're sorry but even though the final count was 4251 to 60 to recall the mayor, since the city has 9000 registered voters you needed 4501 votes to recall the mayor. Yeah it's an ordinance, it was passed in the 1950s no we don't have a copy of it but cybil goat remembers it being passed.